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Old 02-04-2020, 02:43 AM
 
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These viruses didn't appear in areas of the world with few or no bats. Various non human mammals could be the carriers before infected by humans. Snakes and seafood are less likely the carriers but still possible.

Masks for everyone in Asia vs masks for sick and health care professionals only in the West. Different common practices.

The reasons why Asian people wear masks are due to Asian authorities' advice and past outbreaks of SARS and MERS originated in Asia. Japan having the longest life expectancy among developed countries are mainly due to high hygiene awareness and different healthy practices from western countries. Research on transmission and treatment by Asian countries also differ from western countries'. Western countries' reactions are different from Asian countries, now more serious by cutting travel to and from China, more so than many Asian countries.

Asians are relating it to SARS and MERS, not common cold, they are in the same family of germ.But some common cold types are also coronaviruses. Influenza is not and are classified differently.

We are getting conflicting information. Some experts say it can be transmitted between pets and humans. Other experts say not likely.

Transmission by fecal routes is possible. Samples of patients' feces contain the novel virus.

The Australian virus is almost unheard of in Asia.
The swine flu in 2009 was widespread but most people did not wear masks after it spreaded to Asia and other continents.

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Old 02-04-2020, 04:47 AM
 
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Not sure exactly if we can trust the official announcement that the patient who died in HK had an underlying condition. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/ea...-epidemic-grew


Reported number of cases also don't quite match with the plans and actions. Wenzhou, Taizhou and parts of Hangzhou are now on lockdown. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-down-12388714 If the whole Hangzhou gets locked down, can cause even more repercussions.
Can guarantee that the numbers are considerably higher than what we being published.

I can't find a statement on how many hospital beds Wuhan has since any search simply brings up dozens of articles fawning over how they built a hospital in ten days or whatever, but Shenzhen, which is a similar population, had 38k beds in 2016 according to a report I found. It also stated that they have 96k hospital personnel. Even if Wuhan has 10k fewer beds and staff than SZ (SZ being a more internationally-visible, tech-driven city), that still enough to handle it up till now, with 20k claimed deaths.

The government's response once it actually sprung into action, shutting down commerce across the country and quarantining one of its largest cities, which is a ridiculously heavy blow robots already-faltering economy, would not be done if this was a disease that was only as deadly as the cold, as some have suggested. I mean, seriously, come on. This isn't the west freaking out here, it's China itself.

Here's a photo I took a few hours ago here in SZ. This street is normally packed with cars and foot traffic. All the shops are shut, there's a group of party volunteers with a bullhorn and sign hung around reminding everyone to wear a mask, practice good hygiene, and stay inside, and to the right is a government team checking a building. It's clearly not just another little cold.

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Old 02-04-2020, 07:00 AM
 
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Cases of confirmed patients haven't been to Mainland China or knowing other confirmed patients now exist. Very high chance these patients got it from invisible carriers with no or mild symptoms.

Viruses can remain on hands of patients covering their noses and mouths , also on objects such as walls, tables, the ground, handles, buttons and phones for up to 5 days under certain conditions, but don't linger long in the air. Touching eyes, noses and mouths with contaminated hands is also a route of transmission. Washing hands and opening windows are good measures.

Taking western medicines to prevent it is not suggested by Chinese experts.

Wearing masks to prevent getting or spreading it is strongly suggested in Asia and in some places this is now compulsory.

Alertness varies between countries.

Countries in some other continents discourage mask wearing by the public.

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Old 02-04-2020, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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In Taiwan, 56 people have died of H1N1 in the past 3 months. 10 cases and 0 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...virus-h1n1-flu
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Old 02-04-2020, 07:28 AM
 
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Default New Breakthrough Success in Combating the Virus?

Thailand treated a 71-year-old woman who was tested positive with the Coronavirus. Currently, Thailand currently has 25 confirmed cases, an increase of 6 since yesterday, but 7 have been released. Doctors at Bamrasnaradura Infectious Disease Institute in Nonthaburi, where patients with the virus are confined, treated the woman with a 'cocktail' of anti-virals used to treat the flu and HIV (anti-flu drug oseltamivir with lopinavir and ritonavir, anti-virals used to treat HIV). The claim is that the woman improved within 48 hours and that tests now show negative results for the virus.

Could this be a way to combat the virus? It might look promising, but it should be kept in mind that this is only a single case. I don't know if other patients are being given the same treatment. If there are, and the mix proves to be consistent with the results of this woman, that would be a huge relief in the battle combating the virus. However, I think it would be too soon to draw any firm conclusions from a single case. It's possible she could have a relapse. We'll have to wait and see how things develop. Still, it's good to hear this woman appears to be improving.

A number of reports indicate that several countries are trying or planning to develop a vaccine that can resist the virus. However, some reports have indicated that it could take up to 2 years of testing. In addition, it will take more time to produce the vaccine in mass quantities for global distribution. If the anti-viral mix given to the woman in Thailand proves to be successful, that could be a huge help in treating people infected with the virus. It will still take time to produce a vaccine though.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ail/ar-BBZzwqP
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Old 02-04-2020, 07:38 AM
 
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Mutated strains of H1N1 descended from the 2009 global outbreak have been circulating globally.

Cocktail anti virals is a fast way to eliminate the virus in patients.
Common cold patients are usually only prescribed medicines to ease symptoms with no treatment effect.
More details have to be researched about the treatment options for this new virus.
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Old 02-04-2020, 08:52 AM
 
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Months.
Perhaps it will get weaker over time.....
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Old 02-04-2020, 11:22 AM
 
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Mutated strains of H1N1 descended from the 2009 global outbreak have been circulating globally.

Cocktail anti virals is a fast way to eliminate the virus in patients.
Common cold patients are usually only prescribed medicines to ease symptoms with no treatment effect.
More details have to be researched about the treatment options for this new virus.
Humans have antibodies to combat the cold and anyone who had been infected with H1N1 would for that whereas this coronavirus is unique and new to humans (hence, "novel coronavirus"). For the most part the younger and able bodied are able to fight it off given time and health support but it's not as easy for the elderly and infirm (I read not long ago that something like 80% of cases are people over 60).
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Old 02-04-2020, 08:24 PM
 
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Humans have antibodies to combat the cold and anyone who had been infected with H1N1 would for that whereas this coronavirus is unique and new to humans (hence, "novel coronavirus").....
I don't understand why China is so hysteria about this. Maybe China has never had a flu season before.

This virus is a common cold virus, aka coroniavirus, albeit a newer strain accord to CDC and other disease control department. It does what the common cold strain viruses do statistically. Almost all the cases are involved with old people who have underlying health problems like diabetes, cancers. Younger people with very serious underlying health problems are affected as well. Their immunity system are already impaired. Their immunity system simply can't handle the additional stress of an infection. The death ratio is the same as a common cold. All the young people with no serious health problem having the Wuhan virus recovers in couple days with only a minor fever or cough. It doesn't spread through feces as early reports proved to be false. The scientist test the infected feces through a lab.

The US swine was much more more much severe. Yet no one really cared about it. The WHO has never declared any emergency on it. Australian virus too. It have already spread to England. They reported couple thousands have infected with the virus couple months ago. Yet no one pays any attention to it. They figure out it is just a flu. Just let nature takes its course. Why waste time and money to fight it.

Old people die of all kind of diseases. Their immunity system are very weak. My grand mom and dad died of just a common cold. They had pneumonia viral infection.
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Old 02-04-2020, 08:34 PM
 
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I don't understand why China is so hysteria about this. Maybe China has never had a flu season before.

This virus is a common cold virus, aka coroniavirus, albeit a newer strain accord to CDC and other disease control department. It does what the common cold strain viruses do statistically. Almost all the are cases are involved with old people who have underlying health problems like diabetes, cancers. Younger people with very serious underlying health problems are affected as well. Their immunity system are already impaired. Their immunity system simply can't handle the additional stress of an infection. The death ratio is the same as a common cold. All the young people with no serious health problem having the Wuhan virus recovers in couple days with only a minor fever or cough. It doesn't spread through feces as early reports proved to be false. The scientist test the infected feces through a lab.

The US swine was much more more much severe. Yet no one really cared about it. The WHO has never declared any emergency on it. Australia virus too. It have already spread to England. They reported couple thousands have infected with the virus couple month ago. Yet no one pays any attention to it. They figure out it is just a flu. Just let nature take its course.

Old people die of all kind of diseases. Their immunity system are very weak. My grand mom and dad died of just a common cold.
Don't be ridiculous. This virus has a far higher death rate than flu virus. Seasonal flu's fatality rate is <0.1% while 2019-nCoV has a >2% fatality rate, that's close to the Spanish flu in the 1910s.

If you think it's nothing to make a fuss over why don't you visit Wuhan now? What a load of crap.
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