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In the case of China and Taiwan reunification is very mild anyway because China is granting Taiwan the same status as HK and Macau. One country - two systems. So, at the end of the day, little would change for Taiwan, except for common Chinese defense and foreign politics. The Taiwanese could still keep their parliament and elect the government of their TSAR. The border would remain just like the one between China and HK. I.e. no free migration across the border. Etc. Etc. Etc.
In fact, that concept could even serve as the foundation for a Korean unification.
No one in Taiwan believe that after seeing what the CCP did to Hong Kong.
And are you saying that the CCP did not win the civil war?
Your reason was that South and North want unification, and I just pointed out that they want the same kind of reunification as the CCP. They control the whole territory.
Officially, the civil war between PRC and ROC has not ended yet....... They have been in a long cease-fire. Either side can decide to resume.
I am not saying Taiwan is comparable to Scotland. I am just saying Scotland is also an independence-seeking case, with its own circumstances. I'm sure it is worhty of discussion to Scottish folks; but this thread is about Taiwan.
I think Taiwan is not comparable to South/North Korea either, for the reason I stated above.
I think Taiwan has some similarity to Catalonia - but not exactly. Catalonia has not gone thru a civil war with Madrid.
Yes, we get it. You are just saying that you are incredibly ignorant about the situation. So please shut the **** up if you've got nothing valuable to add.
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China is very generous, it has never really cared about the limbo state of affairs. But when Taiwan thinks it has to change that unilaterally, it need not complain when China reacts accordingly.
China is very generous indeed - with the tankies they hire in Portugal.
Though I guess China isn't really that generous after all - considering how cheap Portuguese are for hire, lol.
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Maybe. We've got a mixed bag. Kept Hawaii, Guam and the Marshall Islands. Unloaded Philippines as fast as possible without immediately dumping it into authoritarian regimes. Taiwan has a ready democracy and it brings tech to the table.
The US acquired those territories decades ago. Since then the US has no territorial ambition towards other territories. It is mature enough to know that there are way smarter strategies to create an empire than invasion and coercion (Iraq notwithstanding), unlike China and Russia.
Look at it in a different way. What if Chaing Kai Shek didn't end up near the ocean and instead of escaping Mao toward Taiwan, he and his troops fled west, or maybe north into some other part of China. Once there, he put up some walls or used natural defenses, and proclaimed that area, which was part of China before he and his followers moved there, to now be his independent country. Would we still be so eager to get involved and admonish China whenever they tried to remind everyone that the territory in question was "part of China" ?? I feel that Taiwan is still part of China, just like Lincoln considered the South to still be part of America years after they seceded. But as a country, we get involved, promising to render aid to Taiwan if they are threatened. So there are two problems: One is that we still need to try and honor the commitments we make to groups or governments, etc.. And two, Taiwan was and yes, it probably is still "part of China" though many would disagree. No, I don't like authoritarian governments any more than most do, but I don't feel that China will use Taiwan as a springboard to take over the world from. A complex problem, with no real good solution. The status quo is about the best everyone can hope for.
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The US acquired those territories decades ago. Since then the US has no territorial ambition towards other territories. It is mature enough to know that there are way smarter strategies to create an empire than invasion and coercion (Iraq notwithstanding), unlike China and Russia.
I wasn't advocating a military takeover. I'm rather hopeful that the US has learned that blowing up backwards countries doesn't make them better. The Crusades sucked then and now.
I'm thinking more along the lines of Texas deciding to join the USA. They just decided to do it of their own free will...and gained a protector against an upset Mexico in the process.
Taiwan is a perfectly reasonable country with a healthy Democracy, educated populace and an innovative economy. I'd simply put it to a vote to the people. Yes and no are both acceptable answers.
Look at it in a different way. What if Chaing Kai Shek didn't end up near the ocean and instead of escaping Mao toward Taiwan, he and his troops fled west, or maybe north into some other part of China. Once there, he put up some walls or used natural defenses, and proclaimed that area, which was part of China before he and his followers moved there, to now be his independent country. Would we still be so eager to get involved and admonish China whenever they tried to remind everyone that the territory in question was "part of China" ??
In that case, he would lose to the CCP pretty fast, or in a less likely scenario, he would retake the mainland when it is weak, for instance during the great leap forward or the cultural revolution.
But this is all geopolitics, and not about why we defend Taiwan today.
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I feel that Taiwan is still part of China, just like Lincoln considered the South to still be part of America years after they seceded. But as a country, we get involved, promising to render aid to Taiwan if they are threatened. So there are two problems: One is that we still need to try and honor the commitments we make to groups or governments, etc.. And two, Taiwan was and yes, it probably is still "part of China" though many would disagree.
Taiwan is part of the Republic of China, not the People's Republic of China. When Chaing Kai Shek said Taiwan is part of China, he meant Republic of China.
Taiwan has never been part of PRC, and no wordplay is going to change that.
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No, I don't like authoritarian governments any more than most do, but I don't feel that China will use Taiwan as a springboard to take over the world from. A complex problem, with no real good solution. The status quo is about the best everyone can hope for.
It is very likely China will use it as a springboard, because Taiwan is not the only border dispute China has. Giving in to China means that the South China Sea, Senkaku islands and Indian border is next.
I feel that Taiwan is still part of China, just like Lincoln considered the South to still be part of America years after they seceded..
huh? LOL. There is no comparison there. If you want to use that example, it's that the Peoples Republic of China rebelled against the existing Republic of China. With your argument - all of China Mainland belongs to Taiwan.
No one in Taiwan believe that after seeing what the CCP did to Hong Kong.
HK is doing fine again. I find it absurd that Westerners are complaining about China and HK getting rid of criminals that break the law, both HK law and national law. The US and Britain in particular have always supported those criminal forces in HK, and now they are frowning because HK and China are managing to drain that swamp.
HK still has all its institutions. Stop whining just because candidates that are colluding with anti-Chinese foreigners against their own country get banned from running for office. In every other country that would be considered normal.
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