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The PRC inherited its border conflicts from the RC, which is why even today Taiwan's and the PRC's territorial claims are almost identical, including the vast part of the SCS, where Taiwan also has occupied islands, by the way, but nobody mentions that...
There is no such thing as inheriting border conflicts. The right word is that the CCP maintained the border conflicts of the RC.
It also created new ones with the argument that it has claim to Qing territory, which is absurd. That would be like Germany invading Poland to get the territory that was controlled by Weimar Republic. We all know how that ended.
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HK is doing fine, yes. The CCP does not rule HK, it is the HK government. "electorate share in elections", what does that even mean?
You don't know about the election reforms? Even before, it allowed the elites way too much power, now the people can only vote for 22% of the seats.
And the national security law was directly implemented by Beijing, so the CCP definitely rule HK.
Obsession?! That makes no sense. To the contrary, China has been very patient and ignored the limbo state for decades. And if the US had not supported Taiwanese separatists recently for geopolitical reasons, things would still be fine. So, don't blame China. What you also ignore is the fact that the majority of the Taiwanese don't even support separatism, which is confirmed by the annual survey by a Taiwanese university. They just want things to stay the way they were, i.e. the limbo state...
It is not about size, of course. It is not about the island as such. It is a matter of principle.
China has no interest in governing Taiwan, it does not govern HK, either. A Taiwan SAR could continue pretty much like before.
Don't blame the Americans because Mao didn't know how to build boats....or enough farms to feed his people. Taiwan had already become wealthy when the PRC impoverished their population to less than $1 a day for decades....who wants that? Without Deng, the PRC would be completely done now. People around the world were extremely supportive of having China join the world order. Supply Chains, diplomacy....the world couldn't have been more inviting.
But at the end of the day....more autocratic communism. Ok...inertia will keep things going for awhile, but everyone already knows how this story ends.
Don't blame the Americans because Mao didn't know how to build boats....or enough farms to feed his people. Taiwan had already become wealthy when the PRC impoverished their population to less than $1 a day for decades....who wants that? Without Deng, the PRC would be completely done now. People around the world were extremely supportive of having China join the world order. Supply Chains, diplomacy....the world couldn't have been more inviting.
But at the end of the day....more autocratic communism. Ok...inertia will keep things going for awhile, but everyone already knows how this story ends.
Why do people always bring up Mao?! It's as silly as bringing up Hitler when talking about modern Germany. All that was decades ago, China today is a very different country.
And it has a fine government. It is not autocratic just because you have no clue how its system works. It's a democratic communist system. Even some Western scholars have already acknowledged https://youtu.be/Vg7QOSyKMP4
In China the average citizen has more influence on their government than in the West.
There is no such thing as inheriting border conflicts. The right word is that the CCP maintained the border conflicts of the RC.
It also created new ones with the argument that it has claim to Qing territory, which is absurd. That would be like Germany invading Poland to get the territory that was controlled by Weimar Republic. We all know how that ended.
You don't know about the election reforms? Even before, it allowed the elites way too much power, now the people can only vote for 22% of the seats.
And the national security law was directly implemented by Beijing, so the CCP definitely rule HK.
It has inherited them. Maintained? It takes two sides to solve a border conflict. As long as India is not willing to settle its conflict with China, there is nothing China can do.
Which territories does the PRC claim that the RC had not already claimed? I saw a map that showed both countries' claims, and they overlapped. In fact, Taiwan is the territory with most territorial claims worldwide.
Sure, I have heard of reforms, but those are implemented by the HK political system, not by Beijing.
And the national security law is just one law of many. The vast majority of laws in HK are local ones. It is called NATIONAL security for a reasons, It is not a local HK issue, but a national issue, and thus of course Beijing's business. The implementation of a national security law in HK has been part of HKs basic law from the very start a quarter of a century ago. But HK has failed to do so for quite some time. So Beijing had to step in. If Kansas City kept violating laws and obligations concerning national security for decades, Washington would sooner or later step in.
I just told you that ROC was recognized by some countries, why are you doubling down on misinformation?...and Taiwan/ROC does indeed have embassies from these countries, as I understand it they are all located in 1 building in the Tianmu neighbourhood of Shilin District in the capital Taipei. Likewise ROC has embassies abroad. https://www.embassypages.com/taiwan
Yes lots of political/financial pressure by PRC to other countries to end recognition of ROC.
A couple of bribed island states, really? Taiwan is infamous for its bribes.
Which is exactly why the Honduran candidate will fix that. Not because there was any pressure. China does not have any leverage regarding Honduras.
A couple of bribed island states, really? Taiwan is infamous for its bribes.
Which is exactly why the Honduran candidate will fix that. Not because there was any pressure. China does not have any leverage regarding Honduras.
The issue really is your lack of admission of dispensing misinformation. You were factually wrong on this and a few other points in your threads. Hey people makes mistakes, no problem. But you've made your share here. You are either not informed enough to discuss this topic or you were lying to the good people of this forum and were hoping no one was fact checking you.
Face up to it instead of trying to whitewash it, or just quietly depart this topic and avoid embarrassing yourself further.
Why do people always bring up Mao?! It's as silly as bringing up Hitler when talking about modern Germany. All that was decades ago, China today is a very different country.
And it has a fine government. It is not autocratic just because you have no clue how its system works. It's a democratic communist system. Even some Western scholars have already acknowledged
"Democratic communist system" is a contradictory term - it doesn't make sense. PRC is a one party state, citizens only elect local representatives who have limited power and are in turn accountable of the one party allowed - the CCP. Anything beyond the local level are not elected by the citizens. China represents themselves as a "social democracy", so did Soviet Russia and North Korea for that matter. That doesn't make them so.
Since "the points of your discussions here are woefully misinformed, I offer this for reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_China "China is not a democracy. It is an authoritarian state which has been characterized as totalitarian surveillance state, and a dictatorship"
The issue really is your lack of admission of dispensing misinformation. You were factually wrong on this and a few other points in your threads. Hey people makes mistakes, no problem. But you've made your share here. You are either not informed enough to discuss this topic or you were lying to the good people of this forum and were hoping no one was fact checking you.
Face up to it instead of trying to whitewash it, or just quietly depart this topic and avoid embarrassing yourself further.
Taiwan is not a member of the UN for a reason, several actually, most importantly because the overwhelming majority of countries do not recognize it as a sovereign country.
15 do, but again, mostly bribed islands and the Vatican. Whether those corrupt exotic islands have "embassies" is irrelevant. The Vatican by the way is in the process of establishing diplomatic ties with China and will likely recognize China soon.
"Democratic communist system" is a contradictory term - it doesn't make sense. PRC is a one party state, citizens only elect local representatives who have limited power and are in turn accountable of the one party allowed - the CCP. Anything beyond the local level are not elected by the citizens. China represents themselves as a "social democracy", so did Soviet Russia and North Korea for that matter. That doesn't make them so.
Since "the points of your discussions here are woefully misinformed, I offer this for reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_China "China is not a democracy. It is an authoritarian state which has been characterized as totalitarian surveillance state, and a dictatorship"
Wiki, really? Forget Wiki when it comes to politics. It is fine with science etc., but Wiki has been shown to be infiltrated by very right-wing people. They even have a page on the Uyghur Genocide, although there is none according to the UN and even the US.
China is a democracy, just very different from the Western type. There are a lot of different types of democracy, but the West has hijacked that word and equals it with the Western type only, which is a serious mistake, well, actually a deliberate distortion.
The word democracy has a meaning, derived from Greek. The word does not include multiple political parties or general elections. That is all just typical of the Western type of it, yet optional.
And China luckily does not have those things, which is why it has a consistent government and a society that is not split into ideological sections, unlike in the West.
The communist party is so huge that it already is a kind of parliament in itself because it is home to people with different views.
The scholar in the video explained it a bit, although I have read much more exhaustive descriptions of how the system works in detail.
And no, democracy and communism are not a contradiction at all. The West keeps repeating that lie ad nausea because it is angry that China goes its own way and very well so. The Chinese people confirm their system works fine in one international survey after another.
You know, the West has such distorted views of reality. Not only does is it utterly intolerant towards anyone that rejects the Western ways, it also lacks the capability to look at itself critically. Else the West would see that the Western type of democracy actually sucks and is no example for anyone to follow. Living here in Portugal, it is just a sad theater play.
Taiwan is not a member of the UN for a reason, several actually, most importantly because the overwhelming majority of countries do not recognize it as a sovereign country.
15 do, but again, mostly bribed islands and the Vatican. Whether those corrupt exotic islands have "embassies" is irrelevant. The Vatican by the way is in the process of establishing diplomatic ties with China and will likely recognize China soon.
Again whitewashing. You didn't claim "overwhelming", you didn't claim "UN". You said that no one recognized ROC as a independent country, you claimed that ROC had no embassies. You were wrong. Period.
Dude just admit you were wrong and then move on. Is that really so difficult? Once you admit your error, we can continue the discussion. But you have ruined your credibility on anything and everything concerning China.
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