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Old 02-10-2022, 09:51 AM
 
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Are you kidding? Who cares about quarantine rules?!
Haha

How about everyone that want to travel?
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Old 02-10-2022, 10:14 AM
 
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Haha

How about everyone that want to travel?

We are in a pandemic, it doesn't really matter what people WANT, but what NEEDS to be done. China is all about the long term, not about hasty decisions. China and HK will certainly not accept 3-digit death tolls every day like many countries in Europe do.

According to this article, it seems HK is experiencing a major surge of new infections at the moment, and they might have to ask Beijing for help. This will bring HK and the mainland closer together as people are grateful when being helped.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202202/1252005.shtml
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Old 02-10-2022, 10:25 AM
 
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We are in a pandemic, it doesn't really matter what people WANT, but what NEEDS to be done. China is all about the long term, not about hasty decisions. China and HK will certainly not accept 3-digit death tolls every day like many countries in Europe do.
You are ignoring the point.

The point is that you need to quarantine to go from HK to the mainland, but if you live on the mainland you can travel relatively freely.

Hence, if you are a wealthy mainlander who like to visit your family, or travel on vacation in China, then you don't want to live in Hong Kong.
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Old 02-10-2022, 10:33 AM
 
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You are ignoring the point.

The point is that you need to quarantine to go from HK to the mainland, but if you live on the mainland you can travel relatively freely.

Hence, if you are a wealthy mainlander who like to visit your family, or travel on vacation in China, then you don't want to live in Hong Kong.
People usually move when they get a good job offer. And when they get one, they rarely waste that chance because of such reasons. Especially not the Chinese, who are rather ambitious. And very much into modern technology, they can talk with their relatives and friend online every day.
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Old 02-10-2022, 10:44 AM
 
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People usually move when they get a good job offer. And when they get one, they rarely waste that chance because of such reasons. Especially not the Chinese, who are rather ambitious. And very much into modern technology, they can talk with their relatives and friend online every day.
If you think Chinese just care about getting the best job offer, then you clearly don't understand how important family is for the Chinese.

In addition, most people do not receive job offers without applying. If they want to get a job in HK, they have to actively pursue it. But if they don't want to be away from their family, then they won't.

And top talents have a lot of options, they don't need to settle for HK if they don't want to.
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Old 02-10-2022, 11:02 AM
 
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If you think Chinese just care about getting the best job offer, then you clearly don't understand how important family is for the Chinese.

In addition, most people do not receive job offers without applying. If they want to get a job in HK, they have to actively pursue it. But if they don't want to be away from their family, then they won't.

And top talents have a lot of options, they don't need to settle for HK if they don't want to.

If family were that important to the Chinese, they would have more children
A lot of Chinese live far away from their families, it is THE country of migrant workers.

HK is a fantastic place now, people are proud when they land a good job there. I surely would move there if they gave me a job

https://www.worlddata.info/quality-of-life.php
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Old 02-10-2022, 11:09 AM
 
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If family were that important to the Chinese, they would have more children
A lot of Chinese live far away from their families, it is THE country of migrant workers.

HK is a fantastic place now, people are proud when they land a good job there. I surely would move there if they gave me a job
Can you stop talking about things you know nothing about?
"In China, family is regarded as the most important part of an individual's life."
https://www.chinahighlights.com/trav...ily-values.htm

Migrant workers often move to the city to give their kids a brighter future, they also go back to their hometown every Chinese new year.

And among the people who don't get kids, family is still important.
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Old 02-10-2022, 11:22 AM
 
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Can you stop talking about things you know nothing about?
"In China, family is regarded as the most important part of an individual's life."
https://www.chinahighlights.com/trav...ily-values.htm

Migrant workers often move to the city to give their kids a brighter future, they also go back to their hometown every Chinese new year.

And among the people who don't get kids, family is still important.

Nothing keeps people in HK from visiting family once a year every new year.

Sorry, if people don't have kids, the whole family talk is pretty empty. Many young Chinese people are rather egoistic. Almost every other young Chinese woman does not intend to have children, it said in an article recently. They are heading for a demographic mess of huge proportions if they don't get their act together soon. If I were Xi, I would address the nation asap and tell young people: if your parents had thought the way many of you do, you would not exist.
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Old 02-10-2022, 11:28 AM
 
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Nothing keeps people in HK from visiting family once a year every new year.
Short vacations and quarantine do.

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Sorry, if people don't have kids, the whole family talk is pretty empty. Many young Chinese people are rather egoistic. Almost every other young Chinese woman does not intend to have children, it said in an article recently. They are heading for a demographic mess of huge proportions if they don't get their act together soon. If I were Xi, I would address the nation asap and tell young people: if your parents had thought the way many of you do, you would not exist.
Have you ever considered that China is not as perfect as you imagine, and those young selfish bastards have valid reasons not to get kids?

Also, the majority still get kids or the fertility rate would be even lower.
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Old 02-10-2022, 11:38 AM
 
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Short vacations and quarantine do.



Have you ever considered that China is not as perfect as you imagine, and those young selfish bastards have valid reasons not to get kids?

Also, the majority still get kids or the fertility rate would be even lower.
I have Chinese colleagues/clients who have an entire month off.

I know it is not perfect, I never said anything like that. I think the one-child policy was not that clever, and they should have ended it sooner. It was the result of a toxic philosophy promoted by the Clube of Rome etc. decades ago.

Sorry, but a lot of young urban Chinese are doing well these days. They could afford to have kids, but don't.
It is the same here in Europe by the way. The better people are doing, the fewer kids they have. It's a global phenomenon.
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