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Old 10-09-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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I remember learning for the first time in high school over 20 years ago that Japan schools had no Janitors. Is that still the case even now with Covid?



edit:I guess i might as well ask is that the case in other Asian countries as well?
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Old 10-10-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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My school in China did not have one. Students cleaned the classrooms and playground every day.
The students were supposed to take turns but some always "escaped". And interestingly, the ones who didn't serve were also the ones who failed in classes.
I read that before but did that change with Covid?
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Old 10-10-2020, 03:24 PM
 
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I love that model. While I don't think it would fly in the states (there would be allegations of child abuse), I think it would be good for the children and it would save school districts on janitorial salaries.
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Old 10-10-2020, 05:09 PM
 
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I love that model. While I don't think it would fly in the states (there would be allegations of child abuse), I think it would be good for the children and it would save school districts on janitorial salaries.

It will never fly in US. You will have lawsuits going so fast you wouldn't have time to blink.
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Old 10-10-2020, 06:09 PM
 
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Yes, this is still a common practice even with the virus, there honestly isn't that much of a difference before vs. after the virus for most things. Just more masks, pretty much.
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Old 10-10-2020, 06:11 PM
 
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Yes, this is still a common practice even with the virus, there honestly isn't that much of a difference before vs. after the virus for most things. Just more masks, pretty much.
Wow, i can't see student ever doing proper cleaning in our school but maybe i am just looking at it from American prospective.
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Old 10-10-2020, 07:44 PM
 
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Wow, i can't see student ever doing proper cleaning in our school but maybe i am just looking at it from American prospective.
A lot of the time it is not that clean.
While it is great that the students tend to pick up after themselves and don't have as much trash around the schools as schools in the US, I found in my experience at several public elementary and junior high schools that they're generally much more dirty than any school I've been inside in the US.

On an average teaching day, I would teach the morning classes, join a class for lunchtime, play with the students during the afternoon recess, and then help them with the classroom cleaning before the afternoon classes.

The Japanese kids don't get any kind of cleaner or chemicals: just brooms, water, old rags, and hoses (for the bathrooms). Most of the bathrooms are still smelly even after just being cleaned (ie. hosed down with just water, and most schools only have the squat type), and the classroom floors will still be so dirty you can't put anything down without it getting covered in dirt and dust. Most Japanese schools don't have grass fields, so the students have P.E and outside activities in a dirt/sand field, which gets all tracked back into the school.
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearn...eb2x&context=3
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Old 10-10-2020, 08:39 PM
 
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A lot of the time it is not that clean.
While it is great that the students tend to pick up after themselves and don't have as much trash around the schools as schools in the US, I found in my experience at several public elementary and junior high schools that they're generally much more dirty than any school I've been inside in the US.

On an average teaching day, I would teach the morning classes, join a class for lunchtime, play with the students during the afternoon recess, and then help them with the classroom cleaning before the afternoon classes.

The Japanese kids don't get any kind of cleaner or chemicals: just brooms, water, old rags, and hoses (for the bathrooms). Most of the bathrooms are still smelly even after just being cleaned (ie. hosed down with just water, and most schools only have the squat type), and the classroom floors will still be so dirty you can't put anything down without it getting covered in dirt and dust. Most Japanese schools don't have grass fields, so the students have P.E and outside activities in a dirt/sand field, which gets all tracked back into the school.
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearn...eb2x&context=3

Hmm, so the perception that Japan is very clean is wrong? If schools are still dirty why would Japan school system not hire janitors?
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Old 10-11-2020, 03:29 AM
 
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Hmm, so the perception that Japan is very clean is wrong? If schools are still dirty why would Japan school system not hire janitors?
I have taught in schools in Japan before and generally speaking the students themselves are much tidier than students in the US. They almost never litter and would be shocked to see trash around the school grounds as is often the case in American schools. Having said that, the fact that they have students clean the schools instead of janitors and the fact that the kids basically just use a mop and water or brooms instead of actually cleaning properly means at the end of the day there is usually more dust and dirt around than in an American school.

Add to that the fact that in most public Japanese schools the sports grounds are usually just dirt fields (no grass anywhere) and the school buildings are usually just gray concrete slabs which look old and worn, and the overall feel is that they are dirtier or dingier than American schools.
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Old 10-11-2020, 06:31 AM
 
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I have taught in schools in Japan before and generally speaking the students themselves are much tidier than students in the US. They almost never litter and would be shocked to see trash around the school grounds as is often the case in American schools. Having said that, the fact that they have students clean the schools instead of janitors and the fact that the kids basically just use a mop and water or brooms instead of actually cleaning properly means at the end of the day there is usually more dust and dirt around than in an American school.

Add to that the fact that in most public Japanese schools the sports grounds are usually just dirt fields (no grass anywhere) and the school buildings are usually just gray concrete slabs which look old and worn, and the overall feel is that they are dirtier or dingier than American schools.
The interior is nicer. They usually have hardwood floors and everyone has to take their shoes off.
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