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It is amazing how China finally embraced capitalism and abandon socialism-for many years,the Chinese lived in poverty,the government rationed not just food but fabric,1/2 yard of cotton per year per person,14 ounces of meat per month ,or may be 12 ounces as Chinese have their won weight system.
Most households do not have telephone,when it finally installed phone booth on the street,people lined up early to make calls.
There is hardly any night life,people wil mill around the street window shopping,see that nice TV SET in the window,it would take one year 's salary to buy one.
How time has changed !
During famine,people were peeling tree barks to add to their meals,some went to the beach and swallow sand .
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We just assume stores are always stocked with food,years ago I was in SE Asia,there is a report that Thai students after school lunch will all go into a forest nearby,at first they dont understand why,then they found out they were still hungry and they were looking for certain berries to fill their stomach/
In some of those Carribean islands where they make meager $$ cutting sugarcanes,you see them cooking something outdoor on a stove,you remove the lid and found nothing inside but just boiling water and a piece green stems picked from nearby field.
The workers will get together on a pay day and share a prostitute,spreading STD/AIDS.
its state capitalism though. Not capitalism like ours. THe CCP still has a hand in the business. Look what happened recently with JAck MA. Xi said no IPO.
It is amazing how China finally embraced capitalism and abandon socialism-for many years,the Chinese lived in poverty,the government rationed not just food but fabric,1/2 yard of cotton per year per person,14 ounces of meat per month ,or may be 12 ounces as Chinese have their won weight system.
Most households do not have telephone,when it finally installed phone booth on the street,people lined up early to make calls.
There is hardly any night life,people wil mill around the street window shopping,see that nice TV SET in the window,it would take one year 's salary to buy one.
How time has changed !
During famine,people were peeling tree barks to add to their meals,some went to the beach and swallow sand .
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We just assume stores are always stocked with food,years ago I was in SE Asia,there is a report that Thai students after school lunch will all go into a forest nearby,at first they dont understand why,then they found out they were still hungry and they were looking for certain berries to fill their stomach/
In some of those Carribean islands where they make meager $$ cutting sugarcanes,you see them cooking something outdoor on a stove,you remove the lid and found nothing inside but just boiling water and a piece green stems picked from nearby field.
The workers will get together on a pay day and share a prostitute,spreading STD/AIDS.
no they did not, it's always been a battle between socialism and capitalism. Just like the US republicans vs democrats. now a days, both US and china is very similar in the level of socialism vs capitalism. We both have big corporations and social security systems.
I will say that from the 1950s to 1970s, the socialism/communism in china has caused famine and many chinese were hurt/killed. However, from the 1980s to early 2000s, the open market/capitalism has also brought severe inflation, corruptions, environmental impacts, and social issues to the chinese. In the last 10 years or so, an effort is being put in to try to find the balance between socialism and capitalism. They call that socialism with chinese characteristics.
In summary, as with all things, heading toward the extreme is never a good thing. Finding the right balance is the key.
One question-who the heck is "G. Trumen"?
Do you mean Harry S. Truman?
I don't understand the topic either. The loss of China to the communist was perceived as a political failure for the Truman administration, but probably unfairly. The Kuomintang government was simply too weakened from WWII and other various factors (corruption and inneficienty) to remain. It was smart of Mao to hide in the hills while the KMT was fighting the Japanese, and then come out when the war was over and the KMT in tatters. Not honorable, actually cowardly, but it was a smart strategic move.
One question-who the heck is "G. Trumen"?
Do you mean Harry S. Truman?
I don't understand the topic either. The loss of China to the communist was perceived as a political failure for the Truman administration, but probably unfairly. The Kuomintang government was simply too weakened from WWII and other various factors (corruption and inneficienty) to remain. It was smart of Mao to hide in the hills while the KMT was fighting the Japanese, and then come out when the war was over and the KMT in tatters. Not honorable, actually cowardly, but it was a smart strategic move.
but how do you explain that at the end of WWII, KMT soldier count still vastly outnumbered the communists soldier count? not the mention the superior western weaponry and supplies?
that did not change until after the three major campaign where the KMT suffered major losses.
but how do you explain that at the end of WWII, KMT soldier count still vastly outnumbered the communists soldier count? not the mention the superior western weaponry and supplies?
that did not change until after the three major campaign where the KMT suffered major losses.
but how do you explain that at the end of WWII, KMT soldier count still vastly outnumbered the communists soldier count? not the mention the superior western weaponry and supplies?
that did not change until after the three major campaign where the KMT suffered major losses.
"soldier count" is irrelevant and meaningless.
Communist for the most part sat out the war and became more powerful as KMT became weaker.
"KMT soldier count" means nothing. Japanese occupation left a power vacuum in much of China when they surrendered, communist seized Japanese weapons, improved supply lines and organization, improved rural support and propaganda networks. Nationalist China was devastated as a nation - logistically, socially, and financially. That's not to say, there were issues with corruption as well.
The allies were likewise trying to rebuild the entire world devastated by the war. Ironically, most of the effort was spent on the nations they defeated - Japan and Germany.
Communist for the most part sat out the war and became more powerful as KMT became weaker.
"KMT soldier count" means nothing. Japanese occupation left a power vacuum in much of China when they surrendered, communist seized Japanese weapons, improved supply lines and organization, improved rural support and propaganda networks. Nationalist China was devastated as a nation - logistically, socially, and financially. That's not to say, there were issues with corruption as well.
The allies were likewise trying to rebuild the entire world devastated by the war. Ironically, most of the effort was spent on the nations they defeated - Japan and Germany.
if soldier count means nothing, what about fighting experiences? so based on your logic, the KMT having both advantages in both quality and quantity.
it's much deeper than that, historians are still studying it till this day. it's a lot more than "communist sat out the war" or "KMT are just corrupt" etc.
if soldier count means nothing, what about fighting experiences? so based on your logic, the KMT having both advantages in both quality and quantity.
it's much deeper than that, historians are still studying it till this day. it's a lot more than "communist sat out the war" or "KMT are just corrupt" etc.
I'm not sure where you are going with this. No of course it's much more complex, of course. History always is. But I listed the two main reasons without writing an essay.
The KMT lost it's best troops in fighting the Japanese. The KMT got some US support, and the communist got Russian support. The turning point as I understand it was the Liaoshen campaign (in Manchuria, which had just left Russian occupation) in 1948. There were logistics issues, command issues, the list goes on...KMT was defeated and after that the communist gained superiority. The rest is history.
So what is exactly your point?
I'm not sure where you are going with this. No of course it's much more complex, of course. History always is. But I listed the two main reasons without writing an essay.
The KMT lost it's best troops in fighting the Japanese. The KMT got some US support, and the communist got Russian support. The turning point as I understand it was the Liaoshen campaign (in Manchuria, which had just left Russian occupation) in 1948. There were logistics issues, command issues, the list goes on...KMT was defeated and after that the communist gained superiority. The rest is history.
So what is exactly your point?
I disagree on the point on the japanese part, KMT still have all of their best generals available after the end of WWII. Not to mention all the trainings they receive from the US. KMT has a navy and a airforce, while the communists have none of that.
I would argue that the US actually helped the communist more than the japanese did. As discussed in this topic, the US first tried to get both side to sign a treaty and stop fighting. That actually bought the communist valuable time as the KMT was not able to outright crush them right at the end of the war had the US not stepped in.
You know that the US flew Mao into nanjing to meet with Chiang at the end of WW2 right? who is stopping Chiang from killing or jailing Mao right then and there? US of A of course.
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