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Old 11-12-2020, 02:23 PM
 
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Are you sure? With the way XJP has consolidated power, a simple stroke or cardiac arrest would create a massive power vacuum, which could easily descend China into chaos, and ngl, it is more likely to happen to him than some other world leaders considering his body type and age (close to 70). Not trying to body shame him, but it is true that he is on the overweight side (an understatement). A combination of old age and obesity doesn't exactly invite a lot of confidence in one's health.

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Old 11-12-2020, 05:30 PM
 
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Are you sure? With the way XJP has consolidated power, a simple stroke or cardiac arrest would create a massive power vacuum, which could easily descend China into chaos, and ngl, it is more likely to happen to him than some other world leaders considering his body type and age (close to 70). Not trying to body shame him, but it is true that he is on the overweight side (an understatement). A combination of old age and obesity doesn't exactly invite a lot of confidence in one's health.
If Xi died, then Wang Qishan would take over and follow almost the same policies as today.

Xi Jinping is not a one man show, the whole politburo is filled with old Xi loyalists. I think the more destabilating scenario is if Xi does not choose a successor in the 2022 congress. His loyalists will retire, upcoming leaders will try to take over the power and Xi will become paronoid causing discontent.
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Old 11-12-2020, 07:25 PM
 
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I think it's a fair question by the OP.

Everyone is going on about the form of government taken by the rulers of China. That is a question about a state.

I think what the OP is asking, is how did the Han nation become the largest nation on earth? A nation being a people united by language and culture.

Others have mentions how the Yue and Min were absorbed by the Han. That is a fair point.

However if you look at historical global population shares, in ancient times China was massive. For most of recorded history about one in four people have been Chinese, with most of those being Han.

The real comparison is with India, which similarly has made up a quarter of world population for most of human history. However unlike China, India if it can even be classified as such before British rule, was a patchwork of languages, cultures, and states. Why did the Han come to dominate China, while no nation ever came to dominate India?

Francis Fukuyama has a theory in his book The Origins of Political Order. He posits a tension within all societies between state and culture. In China, the state reigned supreme for 2000 years, since Confucius' reforms. Aspects of culture such as religion were placed under the control of the state, which led to cultural uniformity.

In India the opposite happened, where the Hindu Brahmin class preserved local cultures and languages at the expense of a centralized state ever developing. There is something to this, as the Mughal state, which was the closest India came to having a dominant state, was Muslim. The decentralized nature of Hinduism became the norm for India, and no strong Hindu state emerged.

So to answer the question briefly, it's because Confucianism was a philosophy that worshipped the state, and the state insisted on cultural uniformity.

(For the curious, Fukuyama posits that in Roman-derived cultures and states neither the state nor the culture was dominant, and instead vied for dominance with each other.)
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Old 11-12-2020, 08:39 PM
 
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So to answer the question briefly, it's because Confucianism was a philosophy that worshipped the state, and the state insisted on cultural uniformity.
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The Hans is not a nation,it is the largest ethnic group in China.
Confucius is a scholar,what he preaches is not religion,it is more like philosophy,Taoism,Buddhism are religions,they have priests,deities ,temples and rites.
Modern Chinese do not embrace Confucianism,they know who he is and some of his teachings,but they Rarely refer to his teachings or quote his teachings or even his name Confucious.
On the contrary,more people revere Buddha and worship Quan Yin ,female Buddha of Mercy.
To be candid with you,many Chinese are atheists !!!!!!!!!!!
Some do pay lipservice to Western religion like Christianity,but do it poorly .
Once they get out of church,they leave Christ and his teachings behind and go about their business as most Chinese do-work,make money,spend some,save some and raise a family !
they dont need someone who claimed to be the son of God and born of immaculate conception to tell them what to do.
They are very pragmatic

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Old 11-12-2020, 08:39 PM
 
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This is pretty obvious if you just study a bit of world history. Geography and culture also played a big part in this.
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Old 11-12-2020, 08:45 PM
 
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The common Chinese are more in tune with Buddhism than Confucius teachings,they may not be Buddhist,but they are aware of KARMA,AFTER LIFE and doing good deeds,none of this can be contributed to Confucius teachings.
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Old 11-12-2020, 08:56 PM
 
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Others have mentions how the Yue and Min were absorbed by the Han. That is a fair point.
The Mongolians invaded Central China and established the Yuan Dynasty,while the Manchurians established the Qing dynasty.
But both are nomadic tribes and they have to adapt to the cultures and customs of Central China which has agriculture,commerce and miltary ,poltical system,their nomadic methods of governing is not good enough t o rule such an advanced society,they must adapt
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Old 11-13-2020, 04:00 PM
 
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Others have mentions how the Yue and Min were absorbed by the Han. That is a fair point.
The Mongolians invaded Central China and established the Yuan Dynasty,while the Manchurians established the Qing dynasty.
But both are nomadic tribes and they have to adapt to the cultures and customs of Central China which has agriculture,commerce and miltary ,poltical system,their nomadic methods of governing is not good enough t o rule such an advanced society,they must adapt
yuan and qing is actually quite different and result is how long they lasted.

the mangolians just are just nomads while the manchurians embraced the han culture. Way before taking over the country, the manchurians already hired a tons of han advisors and educate their young king with han values and cultures.


as for the rest of the world, just see what the hell they were doing during the han and tang dynasty, you'll see the difference.
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Old 11-13-2020, 06:20 PM
 
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yuan and qing is actually quite different and result is how long they lasted.

the mangolians just are just nomads while the manchurians embraced the han culture. Way before taking over the country, the manchurians already hired a tons of han advisors and educate their young king with han values and cultures.


as for the rest of the world, just see what the hell they were doing during the han and tang dynasty, you'll see the difference.

sounds like the proud boys
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Old 11-13-2020, 06:48 PM
 
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I have never heard the Manchurians hired scholare to learn the Hans culture and government before they invaded and took over Central China,they are nomadic tribes and one particular tribe became the rulling class of Qing Dynasty.
Where did you hear that?
The nomads would not understand how agriculture,farming,commerce ,tax collecting,standing army and the whole ball of wax fit together.
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