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I guess the biggest question is whether those people are radicalized. I hope you all realized that xinjian borders afghanistan. there is nothing wrong with putting radicalized prisoners to work in factories, that way they would have skill to live a life when they get out of prison and no longer radicalized.
but hey, we rather put them in jail and have them do nothing but suffering right?
What do you expect? Not only was the Australian government attacking the Chinese government and companies at any opportunity, but they also attacked Chinese people and students, prevented students from returning to Australia and the media was constantly spinning fake news such as that if China locked down 3 weeks earlier, then it would have stopped the pandemic.
Due to this, then China wants to move their imports away from Australia to countries that are not anti-China. Isn't that what the Australian China hawks wants too, so you should be happy about the trade retalitation from China.
Umm, Chinese companies have been easily able to invest in Australia for almost 50 years China is also our biggest source of trade, immigration and tourism. The government has not been attacking chinses companies, it has been freely allowing them to invest and own Australian assets for a long time. Australia was one of, if not the first western countries to make formal diplomatic relations with china the Current PRC (we beat the US by 6 years), and has formally recognized Taiwan as part of China since 1972
Now Australia also has an expensive foreign investment review network, which review all foreign purchases within Australia to ensure it is in the National interest, regardless of the source country of the proposed investment. When rolling out the 5G network, any company that was deemed as not been within the national interest were banned, this involved any infrastructure built by Huawei, among other companies, a decision which also affected Australian companies which imported the 5g Technology from China.
Australians do not attack Chinese people or students as a whole, there are almost 1 million Chinese living in Australia if you include all the areas claimed by china, Chinese is almost Universally taught in our schools, chinese students are everywhere, and normally very accepted well though off due to their high work ethic and just about every university also has a confuses institute.
Most of the any anti Chinese sentiment usually comes from the numerous Hong Kong and Taiwanese's nationals that also call Australia home.
As for Corona Virus, the Australian Government simply asked for an independent and impartial review on its origins without signaling china out at all. The Chinese government took it as a direct attack on them
Unfortunately facts never count in a good news story do they?
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The Australian government has not attacked the Chinese government at all. FAKE NEWS
Allright. How would you feel if New Zealand
- Condemned your offshore detention camps and the poor conditions of the Aboriginal population.
- Requested an international investigation into the war crimes done by the Australias military in Afghanistan.
- Banned Atlassian and other Australian companies due to national security concerns.
And in addition to this
- Australian students are not allowed to return to study.
- Australians in New Zealand are targeted by racist attacks.
- Media and people in New Zealand constantly talk about how they want to decouple, but get mad when New Zealand trade from other countries.
- New Zealand media constantly write fake news about Australia, such as news that Australia is hiding the covid-cases and is the cause of the second outbreak in New Zealand.
Would that make you feel that New Zealand is attacking Australia? Would you blame Australia from retaliating by trading with more friendly countries?
Allright. How would you feel if New Zealand
- Condemned your offshore detention camps and the poor conditions of the Aboriginal population.
- Requested an international investigation into the war crimes done by the Australias military in Afghanistan.
- Banned Atlassian and other Australian companies due to national security concerns.
And in addition to this
- Australian students are not allowed to return to study.
- Australians in New Zealand are targeted by racist attacks.
- Media and people in New Zealand constantly talk about how they want to decouple, but get mad when New Zealand trade from other countries.
- New Zealand media constantly write fake news about Australia, such as news that Australia is hiding the covid-cases and is the cause of the second outbreak in New Zealand.
Would that make you feel that New Zealand is attacking Australia? Would you blame Australia from retaliating by trading with more friendly countries?
New Zealand is entitled to do that as is china and other country in the world, and they do. Though NZ especially would never put in blanket bans on Australian products, with total disregard to existing free trade agreements.
Especially when it comes to racist attacks, human rights offshore detention and the poor conditions aboriginals live in. The Chinese government is just saying what our own government or various political interest groups has been telling us for at least 50 years.
Oh and a few move facts
1) It was the Australian government that requested the soldiers be subject to a war crime tribunal, under UN law the international war crimes tribunal one only comes into play when the government of said country refuses to lay charges on war criminals.
2) Australian citizens still living overseas were also banned from entering Australia under the COVID policy (They are currently letting them in - very slowly).
3) Any media about decoupling is very recent and largely as a result of the chinses government policy. It was generally very positive to very recently.
4) Australians are occasional subject to racist attacks in New Zealand.
5)The NZ media is independent and often does report fake news about Australia, Fake news is a part of the media landscape in every country.
6) I am not sure about NZ security concerns (i dare say that Australia handles most of that for them), though there are numerous trade disputes between Australia and NZ, usually around pest control and environmental concerns.
Maybe you should read the edited post I made to that comment, the one about how facts never get in the way of a good news story.
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New Zealand is entitled to do that as is china and other country in the world, and they do.
We hear all this stuff constantly all the time in Australia, and most of it comes from our own government
If you think New Zealand would get away with even half of the list, then I have a bridge to sell you. Search for with quotes "New zealand condemns Australia" and you will only find one result which is New Zealand condemning Australia for deporting kiwis. There is absolutly nothing about Aboriginals or the poor conditions in Australias offshore detention centers. If you search for "Australia condemns China", then it is a totally different story.
No country likes other countries interferring with their internal affairs or actions that single out one country. For instance, the problem is not that Australia does not want to use Huawei, the problem is that they banned Huawei because it was Chinese. Why not just let them enter the competition and then pick another company?
Australia could have easily avoided this whole thing by being more diplomatic. Australia knew very well how to do that, but chose not to because it would please China hawks.
If you think New Zealand would get away with even half of the list, then I have a bridge to sell you. Search for with quotes "New zealand condemns Australia" and you will only find one result which is New Zealand condemning Australia for deporting kiwis. There is absolutly nothing about Aboriginals or the poor conditions in Australias offshore detention centers. If you search for "Australia condemns China", then it is a totally different story.
No country likes other countries interferring with their internal affairs or actions that single out one country. For instance, the problem is not that Australia does not want to use Huawei, the problem is that they banned Huawei because it was Chinese. Why not just let them enter the competition and then pick another company?
Australia could have easily avoided this whole thing by being more diplomatic. Australia knew very well how to do that, but chose not to because it would please China hawks.
Maybe you should read the post again, I keep editing to further the point I know.
The reason why Huawaie was banned and has been across many countries in the world, was not because the company is Chinese's, but because its the Chinese government policy that Huawaie (Among Many other companies), serve the national security interest of the government in Beijing.
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Should also Huwaie, has been Australia for almost 20 years, and were able to contribute extensively to the building of the Australian 3g and 4g networks without a problem, something has changed, and it almost certainly lies with the policy coming out of Beijing.
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What do you expect? Not only was the Australian government attacking the Chinese government and companies at any opportunity, but they also attacked Chinese people and students, prevented students from returning to Australia and the media was constantly spinning fake news such as that if China locked down 3 weeks earlier, then it would have stopped the pandemic.
Due to this, then China wants to move their imports away from Australia to countries that are not anti-China. Isn't that what the Australian China hawks wants too, so you should be happy about the trade retalitation from China.
Typical Soviet whataboutism. All you do is bring up completely unrelated issues to attempt to rebut criticism about China. So Australia have done some bad things, and? It's a) nowhere near as barbaric and brutal as China and b) not at all pertinent to China's extermination policy.
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No country likes other countries interferring with their internal affairs or actions that single out one country. For instance, the problem is not that Australia does not want to use Huawei, the problem is that they banned Huawei because it was Chinese. Why not just let them enter the competition and then pick another company?
Australia could have easily avoided this whole thing by being more diplomatic. Australia knew very well how to do that, but chose not to because it would please China hawks.
Lol, as if China wasn't an illiberal, hostile government to the West and Huawei wasn't backed by the CCP.
China is the most dangerous threat to the democratic world. You are either too brainwashed to see that or you simply prefer authoritarian one party state.
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Allright. How would you feel if New Zealand
- Condemned your offshore detention camps and the poor conditions of the Aboriginal population.
- Requested an international investigation into the war crimes done by the Australias military in Afghanistan.
- Banned Atlassian and other Australian companies due to national security concerns.
And in addition to this
- Australian students are not allowed to return to study.
- Australians in New Zealand are targeted by racist attacks.
- Media and people in New Zealand constantly talk about how they want to decouple, but get mad when New Zealand trade from other countries.
- New Zealand media constantly write fake news about Australia, such as news that Australia is hiding the covid-cases and is the cause of the second outbreak in New Zealand.
Would that make you feel that New Zealand is attacking Australia? Would you blame Australia from retaliating by trading with more friendly countries?
Your analogy is absolutely pathetic. China is criticised by other countries because it acts like a c*nt. If they want to be liked like Australia is, be likeable. Don't expect people to respect you when you have acted like nothing but a piece of sh*t.
And it's not other people's fault that no one buy's China's covid stats. It is a) a developing country with garbage healthcare and b) it has never been a trustworthy country in its history. If China wants to question Australia's covid stats, sure, they can, except they would be the laughing stock themselves instead of Australia.
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1) It was the Australian government that requested the soldiers be subject to a war crime tribunal, under UN law the international war crimes tribunal one only comes into play when the government of said country refuses to lay charges on war criminals.
2) Australian citizens still living overseas were also banned from entering Australia under the COVID policy (They are currently letting them in - very slowly).
3) Any media about decoupling is very recent and largely as a result of the chinses government policy. It was generally very positive to very recently.
4) Australians are occasional subject to racist attacks in New Zealand.
5)The NZ media is independent and often does report fake news about Australia, Fake news is a part of the media landscape in every country.
6) I am not sure about NZ security concerns (i dare say that Australia handles most of that for them), though there are numerous trade disputes between Australia and NZ, usually around pest control and environmental concerns.
1. Here we are talking about a foreign government wanting an international investigation against Australia. Not against the soldiers, but against Australia. I can promise you that Australia would be outraged if that happened.
2. Australians are not banned from returning, that would be outragous. There are caps on how many can travel to Australia, but that just makes tickets expensive. However, foreign students are banned and that does not look good from a Chinese point of view.
3. I can find many negative news from 2019 too. It just became very visible in 2020 and also started to target Chinese individuals.
4. Not like Chinese. 84.5 percent of Asian Australians reported at least one case of discrimination between January and October.
5. Not to the same level. Making claims like that if China locked down 3 weeks earlier there would be no pandemic is outright dangerous, because it will make people hate China for the suffering they experienced due to the lockdowns in Australia.
6. If New Zealand banned any big Australian company due to security concerns, it would destroy the relationship with Australia and New Zealand.
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Maybe you should read the post again, I keep editing to further the point I know.
The reason why Huawaie was banned and has been across many countries in the world, was not because the company is Chinese's, but because its the Chinese government policy that Huawaie (Among Many other companies), serve the national security interest of the government in Beijing.
Listen to yourself, you are saying that it is banned because it is Chinese. If Huawei did not serve the national security interest of Beijing, then it would not be a Chinese company. Just like Ericsson would not be a Swedish, if it did not serve the national security interest of the government in Sweden.
Why not let Huawei enter the competition and then pick another company. Why not give them a fair chance and pick another company if Huawei is too high of a security risk? Lots of countries chose this path, such as my home country Norway.
So why did Australia ban Huawei even though it was not neccesary and was against the principles of free trade. The answer is obvious. Banning Huawei is a great way to win support from China hawks both domestically and internationally. But if you do that, then don't expect your relationship with China to be the same.
Listen to yourself, you are saying that it is banned because it is Chinese. If Huawei did not serve the national security interest of Beijing, then it would not be a Chinese company. Just like Ericsson would not be a Swedish, if it did not serve the national security interest of the government in Sweden.
Right, because Sweden is as dangerous as China is to Australia's national security, lol.
Listen to yourself, you are saying that it is banned because it is Chinese. If Huawei did not serve the national security interest of Beijing, then it would not be a Chinese company. Just like Ericsson would not be a Swedish company if it did not serve the national security interest of Sweden.
Why not let Huawei enter the competition and then pick another company. Why not give them a fair chance and pick another company if Huawei is too high of a security risk?
The answer is obvious. Banning Huawei is a great way to win support from China hawks both domestically and internationally. But if you do that, then don't expect your relationship with China to be the same.
I clearly pointed out the Huawei has been in Australia for a long time, and was extensively involved in the building of the 3g and 4g networks but was banned from the 5g network because of a change in policy direction in Beijing, if it was banned because its Chinese, it would never have been given a market foothold to start with.
We can easily obtain the phones etc Huawei manufacture in Australia, once again this would not be the case if a total ban was made based on the fact the company is Chinese.
Try not to let your emotions override facts please.
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