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Old 04-13-2021, 11:39 PM
 
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I heard that the ancient pre-islamic culture and religion of Indonesian and Malaysian were Indosphere or Hindulism which was quite different from their modern day Islamic culture.

What made me curious is when and why did they starts to adapt Islamic as their national culture instead of continue the practice of Indosphere or Hindulism?
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Old 04-14-2021, 02:52 AM
 
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I heard that the ancient pre-islamic culture and religion of Indonesian and Malaysian were Indosphere or Hindulism which was quite different from their modern day Islamic culture.

What made me curious is when and why did they starts to adapt Islamic as their national culture instead of continue the practice of Indosphere or Hindulism?
not only Hinduism but also Mahayana Buddhism that existed in Indonesia before the arrival of Islam
you have a lot to learn about Indonesia
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Old 04-14-2021, 03:37 AM
 
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not only Hinduism but also Mahayana Buddhism that existed in Indonesia before the arrival of Islam
you have a lot to learn about Indonesia
What time period was that? Also how big was the the Mahayana Buddhism in Indonesia? How many percentage of the population were practicing the Mahayana Buddhism?
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Old 04-14-2021, 05:00 AM
 
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What time period was that? Also how big was the the Mahayana Buddhism in Indonesia? How many percentage of the population were practicing the Mahayana Buddhism?
https://www.indonesia-investments.co...istory/item123
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Old 04-15-2021, 07:25 PM
 
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I heard that the ancient pre-islamic culture and religion of Indonesian and Malaysian were Indosphere or Hindulism which was quite different from their modern day Islamic culture.

What made me curious is when and why did they starts to adapt Islamic as their national culture instead of continue the practice of Indosphere or Hindulism?
Prior to Islam coming in, the Majapahit Kingdom ruled much of what is now Indonesia, Malaysia, and South Thailand.

MAJAPAHIT KINGDOM | Facts and Details

Even today, Malay culture has Hindu and Indian elements from the Majapahit era. The Mahapahit Kingdom fell likely due to succession wars.

https://www.quora.com/Why-Majapahit-fall

Islam entered SE Asia beginning in Aceh at the northern tip of Sumatra, which is closest part of the archipelago to the Middle East. The conventional explanation is that Arab and Indian Muslim traders brought Islam and it was pliable enough initially to fit in with the animistic and Hindu beliefs.
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Old 04-15-2021, 08:27 PM
 
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Bali is still Buddhist, isn't it? Or is it Hindu?

And what about some of the mountain tribes, are they shamanist? At least, on Bali?
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Old 04-15-2021, 08:41 PM
 
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Bali is Hindu.

Was Theravada Buddhism present on the islands? Seems weird that only Mahayana would have been present in tha area.
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Old 04-16-2021, 12:13 AM
 
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Prior to Islam coming in, the Majapahit Kingdom ruled much of what is now Indonesia, Malaysia, and South Thailand.

MAJAPAHIT KINGDOM | Facts and Details

Even today, Malay culture has Hindu and Indian elements from the Majapahit era. The Mahapahit Kingdom fell likely due to succession wars.

https://www.quora.com/Why-Majapahit-fall

Islam entered SE Asia beginning in Aceh at the northern tip of Sumatra, which is closest part of the archipelago to the Middle East. The conventional explanation is that Arab and Indian Muslim traders brought Islam and it was pliable enough initially to fit in with the animistic and Hindu beliefs.
What was the cause that made the Indonesian and Malaysian desired to convert into the Islamic society?
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Old 04-16-2021, 03:32 PM
 
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What was the cause that made the Indonesian and Malaysian desired to convert into the Islamic society?
Indonesia and Malaysia weren't identifiable countries at the time. There were different tribal groups that rallied around certain rulers who may have had lineage establishing their "right" to control areas and populations. These lineages were often based upon myth and tall tales passed down by oral tradition. And they encouraged inter-marriage between ruling families to cement these rights.

On the peninsula, Arab traders and Tamil Muslims brought Islam to the west coast. There is some evidence that Chinese Muslims, from China or what is now Vietnam (Cham) brought Islam to the east coast of the peninsula.

A neighbor of mine in Kuala Lumpur was Malay, but he had a daughter and son that had Chinese features, and another daughter and son that had Indian features. He told me that his ancestors came from the Cham Kingdom in what is now Cambodia (Kampuchea) and Vietnam. His Malay wife was from northern Malaysia and had Indian ancestors.

When the Majapahit Kingdom fell apart, the Malay rulers began to establish their own little fiefdoms, and embracing Islam likely assisted since the traders were very influential. If you could create a trading port where people from all around would come to trade and even settle down, you could begin to extract taxes and build your wealth. By embracing the Muslim faith, you were more likely to entice the Arab and Tamil traders to stop at your village.

Malay society was fairly fluid in that one had to be a good Sultan to get people to follow you. If you weren't good, the Malay villagers would up and move somewhere else.
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