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Taiwan implemented a pretty rapid lockdown after cases started growing and that seems like a pretty reasonable thing they're doing, so I'm not sure what the general issue is. Why is this not a reasonable risk assessment? "Trash standard" is sort of hard to understand as anything other than hyperbole.
I don't see the doom and gloom making much sense right now though I guess anything can happen. Taiwan has relatively little issue with abiding by safety guidelines when put out, and mask wearing or large anti-mask protests are not issues. This is also happening later in the pandemic when there is much more known about spread and treatment than in the early days and there is treatment available to mitigate the effects now far better than in the early months. Taiwan made a reasonable economic gamble on keeping things open with the few number of cases they had on the premise that if something were to happen, they can quickly shut things down and openly communicate it. They're following that sequence after months of being fairly open. This so far seems to be essentially what they hedged on with an uptick needing another subsequent swift closure. The main issue they had was difficulty procuring vaccines, but that's not unique to Taiwan though their difficulties are unique in that the political power they wield to get into the international supplies for vaccines is a bit more precarious due to the machinations of the Chinese government.
Also, what is this silly talk about the two party system in Taiwan? Taiwan's political economy has notable differences from that of the US.
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Taiwan implemented a pretty rapid lockdown after cases started growing and that seems like a pretty reasonable thing they're doing, so I'm not sure what the general issue is. Why is this not a reasonable risk assessment? "Trash standard" is sort of hard to understand as anything other than hyperbole.
I don't see the doom and gloom making much sense right now though I guess anything can happen. Taiwan has relatively little issue with abiding by safety guidelines when put out, and mask wearing or large anti-mask protests are not issues. This is also happening later in the pandemic when there is much more known about spread and treatment than in the early days and there is treatment available to mitigate the effects now far better than in the early months. Taiwan made a reasonable economic gamble on keeping things open with the few number of cases they had on the premise that if something were to happen, they can quickly shut things down and openly communicate it. They're following that sequence after months of being fairly open. This so far seems to be essentially what they hedged on with an uptick needing another subsequent swift closure. The main issue they had was difficulty procuring vaccines, but that's not unique to Taiwan though their difficulties are unique in that the political power they wield to get into the international supplies for vaccines is a bit more precarious due to the machinations of the Chinese government.
Also, what is this silly talk about the two party system in Taiwan? Taiwan's political economy has notable differences from that of the US.
It reminds me of back in the days of apartheid. Israel, South Africa and Taiwan as the states the rest of the globe put political pressure upon sort of bound together. South Africa may no longer be that third leg but Israel is doing better than most
Posted by OyCrumbler: The main issue they had was difficulty procuring vaccines, but that's not unique to Taiwan though their difficulties are unique in that the political power they wield to get into the international supplies for vaccines is a bit more precarious due to the machinations of the Chinese government.
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Originally Posted by Taiko
It reminds me of back in the days of apartheid. Israel, South Africa and Taiwan as the states the rest of the globe put political pressure upon sort of bound together. South Africa may no longer be that third leg but Israel is doing better than most
Right, this is the political context we need to keep in mind when looking at this situation with Taiwan.
be sure to not upgrade the level from 3 to 4
be sure to not increase test capacities and let people travel from the twin north city to other places
be sure to wait and start using the in house made vaccine in july/august
everything is under control, there will soon be no more cases, only backlogs
show the world how it's done! taiwan number one!
be sure to not upgrade the level from 3 to 4
be sure to not increase test capacities and let people travel from the twin north city to other places
be sure to wait and start using the in house made vaccine in july/august
everything is under control, there will soon be no more cases, only backlogs
show the world how it's done! taiwan number one!
Taiwan has officially stated multiple times that there is the expectation that there is a likelihood of a resurgence to occur to go with reopening. It's a calculated risk that's done in hand with opening up economically. There is no obfuscation on the part of the government there. It is hobbled a bit by a massive misinformation push though, which seems odd because who would put this much in resources to spread disinformation in traditional Chinese in such a targeted manner: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ew-covid-surge
I've been seeing some pretty incredible scumbaggery on Line and Facebook in regards to targeted covid misinformation in traditional Chinese. I'm kind of curious about who and what would have the motivation to do so.
don't feel bad, they got a job to do. just mind our own business, make sure to tell your government to ban or be strict about flights coming in from taiwan
Taiwan has officially stated multiple times that there is the expectation that there is a likelihood of a resurgence to occur to go with reopening. It's a calculated risk that's done in hand with opening up economically. There is no obfuscation on the part of the government there. It is hobbled a bit by a massive misinformation push though, which seems odd because who would put this much in resources to spread disinformation in traditional Chinese in such a targeted manner: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ew-covid-surge
I've been seeing some pretty incredible scumbaggery on Line and Facebook in regards to targeted covid misinformation in traditional Chinese. I'm kind of curious about who and what would have the motivation to do so.
look up 1450, they recently got exposed for pulling a dual agent
look up 1450, they recently got exposed for pulling a dual agent
Yea, look up wumao. There is absolutely no possible way the propaganda infrastructure for Taiwan is going to be that well funded especially in comparison to that of China against Taiwan.
Instead, it makes more sense to concentrate on the actual stats and officially stated courses of action. Taiwan has fared well so far during this pandemic. This is an uptick, but its severity thus far in relation to its population size is still pretty minimal. It does not have a massive resource or personnel shortage. It has stated explicitly that it does not believe it will be impervious and that there is a risk in opening up its economy, but that it will respond quickly when the inevitable happens. That is exactly what has happened so far. It has tried to procure vaccines and has been somewhat stymied in its efforts, but it does have particularly trying conditions. The best case scenario right now is that its lockdown works and it relatively quickly flattens and then drops the curve in the next two weeks, and meanwhile continues to put pressure on other nations to supply well-validated vaccines, and this scare then becomes greater impetus among the population to voluntarily get vaccinated.
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