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no, they could have had the vaccines already but they wanted to wait for the in house develop ones due to monetary and political reasons. They gambled and lost, the opposing party is using this opportunity to gain politically.
well, it's been like that the last 20 years, it's just that this time taiwanese people are paying for it with their lives
Taiwan has purchased millions of doses of AstraZeneca but is still waiting on delivery for the bulk of them, purchased Moderna but is waiting for them, and was working on a deal with BioNTech for the Pfizer vaccine, but that deal somehow evaporated. It has been very actively trying to secure vaccines and has moved with trying to secure the most openly trialed and tested ones in order to overcome vaccine hesitancy. Apparently they made a so far correct gamble on spending resources to try to work on their own vaccine because the outside sources one they have been trying to procure haven't delivered. This may still not work out if the efficacy of their own developed vaccines isn't good, but it's a hedge.
Many stores are still open though, we have takeouts/food delivery almost every meal now, but streets are pretty empty.
Yea, which given what we know now should be fine since surface transmission doesn't appear to be a very powerful vector. It's eating indoors, obviously with masks off, breathing in the same interior space with someone potentially infected that poses the greater risk.
Taiwan has purchased millions of doses of AstraZeneca but is still waiting on delivery for the bulk of them, purchased Moderna but is waiting for them, and was working on a deal with BioNTech for the Pfizer vaccine, but that deal somehow evaporated. It has been very actively trying to secure vaccines and has moved with trying to secure the most openly trialed and tested ones in order to overcome vaccine hesitancy. Apparently they made a so far correct gamble on spending resources to try to work on their own vaccine because the outside sources one they have been trying to procure haven't delivered. This may still not work out if the efficacy of their own developed vaccines isn't good, but it's a hedge.
Do you know what level 3 lockdown consists of? Essentially everything is suspended except for emergency services, government functions, military functions, and hospitals. No exclusions for special occasions or religious services. Mask mandated and social distancing mandated everywhere. You're acting like a level 3 lockdown is somehow a milquetoast response when it's far-reaching.
No, that is level 4.
Level 3 is mask wearing, max 5/10 people for gatherings, takeout only. Businesses are still open and many still need to commute to work uneccessarily.
Level 3 combined with people voluntarily staying home is most likely enough to get cases to drop, but it won't be enough to get cases back to 0. If the reopening start before cases drop to 0, then cases will surge again, and then comes lockdown fatigue and hundreds of cases per day become normalized.
Level 3 is mask wearing, max 5/10 people for gatherings, takeout only. Businesses are still open and many still need to commute to work uneccessarily.
Level 3 combined with people voluntarily staying home is most likely enough to get cases to drop, but it won't be enough to get cases back to 0. If the reopening start before cases drop to 0, then cases will surge again, and then comes lockdown fatigue and hundreds of cases per day become normalized.
It says nowhere in that image that everything except essentials is closed.
And what do you think level 4 is, super closed?
Religious venues closed, entertainment venues (where transmission in crowded space is most likely) closed, restaurants closed for dine-in and are essentially just kitchens now, schools are closed as in they're in-person. These are closed to in person--that's level 3, bud. They're allowed to do things remotely like distance learning or doing takeout/delivery, but I'm not sure if level 4 would mean that all closes down, too, unless there's a mutation that transmits very differently.
You keep on talking about having 0 cases, but that doesn't square with the pandemic hitting Taiwan being inevitable. And I still don't know if you actually think having a surge a year ago was somehow a better track. Taiwan's government had said it was inevitable that the pandemic would hit Taiwan--it just ended up being able to delay it for a year and a half. There's a large difference between what the situation was then versus now.
Religious venues closed, entertainment venues (where transmission in crowded space is most likely) closed, restaurants closed for dine-in and are essentially just kitchens now, schools are closed as in they're in-person. These are closed to in person--that's level 3, bud.
I don't think Taiwan should close some places, I think they should close everything except essential businesses. That is what I describe as a real lockdown, and that is what is necessary to get cases down to 0.
Instead we get news like this
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Many in Taiwan still forced to work in office amid Covid-19 pandemic
You keep on talking about having 0 cases, but that doesn't square with the pandemic hitting Taiwan being inevitable. And I still don't know if you actually think having a surge a year ago was somehow a better track. Taiwan's government had said it was inevitable that the pandemic would hit Taiwan--it just ended up being able to delay it for a year and a half. There's a large difference between what the situation was then versus now.
I believe in the elimination strategy till everyone is vaccinated. Being hit by the pandemic is not inevitable if you lock down immediately.
People can only live a normal life if the virus is totally eliminated, and Taiwan will soon find out how much it sucks to have permanent restrictions on social life.
I don't think Taiwan should close some places, I think they should close everything except essential businesses. That is what I describe as a real lockdown, and that is what is necessary to get cases down to 0.
I believe in the elimination strategy till everyone is vaccinated. Being hit by the pandemic is not inevitable if you lock down immediately.
People can only live a normal life if the virus is totally eliminated, and Taiwan will soon find out how much it sucks to have permanent restrictions on social life.
It's a tricky call at this point, because a full lockdown incurs massive economic penalties for Taiwan and meanwhile vaccine deployment seems imminent and they're in an odd transition period where there's enough knowledge about the virus (that spread is limited with social distancing and mask wearing, and that spread via surfaces is very rare) that ostensibly the measures they're taking seemingly can technically work by themselves. The elimination strategy would work, but they're towing a line where something short of a full lockdown can possibly work as well if it's actually followed through.
That being said, just about no government seems to be expecting permanent restrictions on social life.
It's a tricky call at this point, because a full lockdown incurs massive economic penalties for Taiwan and meanwhile vaccine deployment seems imminent and they're in an odd transition period where there's enough knowledge about the virus (that spread is limited with social distancing and mask wearing, and that spread via surfaces is very rare) that ostensibly the measures they're taking seemingly can technically work by themselves. The elimination strategy would work, but they're towing a line where something short of a full lockdown can possibly work as well if it's actually followed through.
Lots of European countries have implemented restrictions that is similar to what Taiwan is implementing right now. It is actually very similar to what Norway implemented and eventually kept indefinitely.
Yes, it did work, but it did not bring the numbers down to 0. As Taiwan is following in European footsteps, then Taiwan is going to be more similar to the more successful countries such as Norway and Denmark which has indefinite restrictions. Thats not what Taiwanse expect, because the government is talking about reopening in 2 weeks. Taiwan might reopen, but then it will close down again as cases starts to surge again.
A full lockdown does incur massive economic penalties for Taiwan, but indefinite restrictions cost even more. It is easier for small business to shut down for a month, than to have terrible business for a half year or longer.
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That being said, just about no government seems to be expecting permanent restrictions on social life.
I think I misspoke. What I meant is restrictions with no end in sight, similar to Europe right now.
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