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as a result, the hukou means nothing now. about 10 years ago, there is no way to be rich without a hukou in the big 4 city as people from the countryside can only go to the big four city to find jobs. But now a days, if you go to a 2 to 5th tier city, you can see the urbanization has caught up. Everyone can live and work in the city if they choose to. Which new highways and HSR, the time between countryside and city is hours instead of days.
the result? people from anywhere can have access to luxury goods. that's why they can have tesla dealers in xinjiang of all places, in additional to 60+ spots around the country.
This is nonsense, but instead of telling you why, I will let you prove it yourself either by lack of answer or by your own answer.
Lets imagine a common worker family with 1 kid live in a small city. They have a family income of 6,000 CNY, which is significantly above minimum wage. Their current home is not suitable to raise a kid, they want a 100 sqm apartment in a decent school zone. Property prices in those areas are 10,000 per sqm. How will you organize their finances?
I will do the same for a common worker familly in my home country Norway. They willl earn 70,000 NOK, and 60,000 after taxes, deductions and benefits. Normally they will buy something better than a 100 sqm apartment, but to make it more similar they will have the same expectations as the Chinese family. Property prices are around 30,000 so they will have a mortgage of 10,000.
60,000 Disposable income
-10,000 Mortage
-3,000 Utilities
-5,000 Car
-10,000 Food and clothes
-3,000 Kindergarten
-3,000 Leisure
-3,000 Vacations
Left over is 23,000 per year. They can actually save up for a Tesla. However the Chinese family is not going to have anything left over and will have to reduce their expectations, such as bikes instead of car, no travel and a smaller apartment.
This is not surprising, China is a developing country after all. But it does not fit your narrative about how well Chinese are doing.
Even Xi Jinping himself is pushing for a "common prosperity" to realign and reprioritize Chinese society, because the disparity between the wealthy and the poor is too wide, housing is too expensive, financial burdens for families are heavy, and young people are increasingly malcontent over their future prospects. If everything was just swell and there was nothing to be concerned about, why would any of this be an issue? Because the great leader demands it? If he demands change to a system that works, is he a great leader? No? Then, it must be that there is a problem.
This is the conundrum that the CCP ends up cornering itself into, because it claims paternal benevolence over the Chinese people. When it turns out that there are big problems, they don't actually have anyone to blame but themselves because they allowed it to happen under their auspices, so they appeal to nationalism by blaming foreign influences and forces... Which they evidently, until then, were unable to keep out, despite the assurance that they need total control over every aspect of society for everyone's safety. From the viewpoint of any rational person, it's laughable, and the truth is that plenty of people in China view it as such - something that even people like our resident CCP apologists will say in defense of China if someone accused the Chinese people of having a hive mind - but they know the consequences of saying as much openly.
Meanwhile, pro-Xi netizens are dutifully doing their job, defending China from criticism from outsiders, even when the criticism is actually in line with what the government believes is a pervasive problem, because "you don't know anything about China!" and "only Chinese can talk about China" or whatever.
Even Xi Jinping himself is pushing for a "common prosperity" to realign and reprioritize Chinese society, because the disparity between the wealthy and the poor is too wide, housing is too expensive, financial burdens for families are heavy, and young people are increasingly malcontent over their future prospects. If everything was just swell and there was nothing to be concerned about, why would any of this be an issue? Because the great leader demands it? If he demands change to a system that works, is he a great leader? No? Then, it must be that there is a problem.
This is the conundrum that the CCP ends up cornering itself into, because it claims paternal benevolence over the Chinese people. When it turns out that there are big problems, they don't actually have anyone to blame but themselves because they allowed it to happen under their auspices, so they appeal to nationalism by blaming foreign influences and forces... Which they evidently, until then, were unable to keep out, despite the assurance that they need total control over every aspect of society for everyone's safety. From the viewpoint of any rational person, it's laughable, and the truth is that plenty of people in China view it as such - something that even people like our resident CCP apologists will say in defense of China if someone accused the Chinese people of having a hive mind - but they know the consequences of saying as much openly.
Meanwhile, pro-Xi netizens are dutifully doing their job, defending China from criticism from outsiders, even when the criticism is actually in line with what the government believes is a pervasive problem, because "you don't know anything about China!" and "only Chinese can talk about China" or whatever.
Even with heavy internet and media censorship and propaganda, I’m sure the Chinese people on a whole know what’s going on. Forced compliance because of heavy surveillance shouldn’t be mistaken for approval
Even with heavy internet and media censorship and propaganda, I’m sure the Chinese people on a whole know what’s going on. Forced compliance because of heavy surveillance shouldn’t be mistaken for approval
They either don't know anything or they don't care at all. Another June 4th could happen this very second and they would still believe the government is right.
Even with heavy internet and media censorship and propaganda, I’m sure the Chinese people on a whole know what’s going on. Forced compliance because of heavy surveillance shouldn’t be mistaken for approval
The average Chinese is quite misinformed, but they are also more down-to-earth than pro-CCP shills in the west, as they can see China their own eyes instead of getting their information from the internet.
Some are critical, I have met some parents/grandparents who have been ranting against the government. However, the majority support the government, but acknowledge the obvious flaws like extremly high housing prices.
This is nonsense, but instead of telling you why, I will let you prove it yourself either by lack of answer or by your own answer.
Lets imagine a common worker family with 1 kid live in a small city. They have a family income of 6,000 CNY, which is significantly above minimum wage. Their current home is not suitable to raise a kid, they want a 100 sqm apartment in a decent school zone. Property prices in those areas are 10,000 per sqm. How will you organize their finances?
I will do the same for a common worker familly in my home country Norway. They willl earn 70,000 NOK, and 60,000 after taxes, deductions and benefits. Normally they will buy something better than a 100 sqm apartment, but to make it more similar they will have the same expectations as the Chinese family. Property prices are around 30,000 so they will have a mortgage of 10,000.
60,000 Disposable income
-10,000 Mortage
-3,000 Utilities
-5,000 Car
-10,000 Food and clothes
-3,000 Kindergarten
-3,000 Leisure
-3,000 Vacations
Left over is 23,000 per year. They can actually save up for a Tesla. However the Chinese family is not going to have anything left over and will have to reduce their expectations, such as bikes instead of car, no travel and a smaller apartment.
This is not surprising, China is a developing country after all. But it does not fit your narrative about how well Chinese are doing.
to best honest, i don't think you can compare capitalistic societies of the west to the socialistic one in china.
also there are cultural differences, let me point this out to you.
in china, most son lives with their parents, especially if they are only child.
so your "common worker family" has 3+ generations. The grand parents are retired, and 99 %of them already owned their house as part of their compensation package from the government.
the parents then have a choice of going to a big city to work, while their child stay home with the grand parents. also, only the elite/super rich/big city folks cares about school disctricts housing. every one has the same chance to get into college as the entrance exam is standardize no matter what school you're from. with the new policy of shutting down the pay for tutoring, the rich no longer has the advantage over the poor.
a "family" in the west is not the same as a "family" in chinese society. The woman joins the husband's family when they are married.
Even Xi Jinping himself is pushing for a "common prosperity" to realign and reprioritize Chinese society, because the disparity between the wealthy and the poor is too wide, housing is too expensive, financial burdens for families are heavy, and young people are increasingly malcontent over their future prospects. If everything was just swell and there was nothing to be concerned about, why would any of this be an issue? Because the great leader demands it? If he demands change to a system that works, is he a great leader? No? Then, it must be that there is a problem.
This is the conundrum that the CCP ends up cornering itself into, because it claims paternal benevolence over the Chinese people. When it turns out that there are big problems, they don't actually have anyone to blame but themselves because they allowed it to happen under their auspices, so they appeal to nationalism by blaming foreign influences and forces... Which they evidently, until then, were unable to keep out, despite the assurance that they need total control over every aspect of society for everyone's safety. From the viewpoint of any rational person, it's laughable, and the truth is that plenty of people in China view it as such - something that even people like our resident CCP apologists will say in defense of China if someone accused the Chinese people of having a hive mind - but they know the consequences of saying as much openly.
Meanwhile, pro-Xi netizens are dutifully doing their job, defending China from criticism from outsiders, even when the criticism is actually in line with what the government believes is a pervasive problem, because "you don't know anything about China!" and "only Chinese can talk about China" or whatever.
the disparity between the wealthy and the poor is getting wider and wider by design of a capitalistic/market economy. it's okay to criticize, but at least be consistent. I was pointing this out as the other person was saying something about xi going after the rich "killing big profitable companies" and yet at the same time complaining about the gap between the rich and the poor.
you can't have both ways. if you want to keep the gap between the rich and the poor under control, the rich must be held in check.
This is nonsense, but instead of telling you why, I will let you prove it yourself either by lack of answer or by your own answer.
Lets imagine a common worker family with 1 kid live in a small city. They have a family income of 6,000 CNY, which is significantly above minimum wage. Their current home is not suitable to raise a kid, they want a 100 sqm apartment in a decent school zone. Property prices in those areas are 10,000 per sqm. How will you organize their finances?
I will do the same for a common worker familly in my home country Norway. They willl earn 70,000 NOK, and 60,000 after taxes, deductions and benefits. Normally they will buy something better than a 100 sqm apartment, but to make it more similar they will have the same expectations as the Chinese family. Property prices are around 30,000 so they will have a mortgage of 10,000.
60,000 Disposable income
-10,000 Mortage
-3,000 Utilities
-5,000 Car
-10,000 Food and clothes
-3,000 Kindergarten
-3,000 Leisure
-3,000 Vacations
Left over is 23,000 per year. They can actually save up for a Tesla. However the Chinese family is not going to have anything left over and will have to reduce their expectations, such as bikes instead of car, no travel and a smaller apartment.
This is not surprising, China is a developing country after all. But it does not fit your narrative about how well Chinese are doing.
btw, if what you said is true, norway must be a paradise then. you're telling me that a common worker family can purchase two properties with a year of their wage? the properties price is only half of the annual wage? are you sure you have it correct?
here in the US, the properties prices are at least 5 to 10 times annual wages depends on where you live.
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