Which Southeast Asian related to Northeast Asian the most? (place, people, culture)

[OttoVonbismarck]

I am quite curious about the relationship between Southeast Asian and Northeast Asian in term of historically, genetically and culturally.

Can someone who is knowledgeable give some in depth explaination to me?

[KhotunKhan]

Originally Posted by OttoVonbismarck

I am quite curious about the relationship between Southeast Asian and Northeast Asian in term of historically, genetically and culturally.

Can someone who is knowledgeable give some in depth explaination to me?

Historically, the original Vietnamese(Kinh) before been ruled by Han-Chinese were considered as an Austro-Asiatic ethnic which is the same group as Cambodian(Mon-khmer). Both Vietnamese (Kinh) and Cambodian (Khmer) are originated in Southeas Asia around Red River Delta and are native of Southeast Asia. The thing that makes Vietnamese(Kinh) a little bit diffrent from Cambodian (Khmer) and other Mon-Khmer ethnics is that they have been colonized by Han-Chinese for around 1000 years (from 111 B.C. to 980 A.D.) So that explains why today they looks a little bit diffrent from other Austro-Asiatic (Mon-khmer) ethnics and also why their culture you are seeing today is heavily influenced by Han-Chinese culture. Modern day Vietnamese are basically product of mixing between original Vietnamese(Mon-Khmer) Southeast asian aboriginal and the Chinese(Han) colonizer.

The Thai(Dai) on another hand has much more northerners origin than the Vietnamese (Kinh) does, also are genetically related to Northeast Asian more than the Vietnamese.

Thai(Dai) were originated in South of China and are considered as a Tai-Kadai ethnic, they were not aboriginal of Southeast Asia like the Vietnamese and Cambodian. The Thai(Dai) moved down to Southeast Asia(modern day Thailand and Laos) in 13th century during the Mongol expansion of Asia (Genghis Khan era).

The original Tai/Dai(majority ethic of Thailand and Laos) are genetically closely related to Zhuang and people in Sichuan and Yunnan of China. Tai/Dai historically were never been directly colonized by Han-Chinese just like Hmong, Zhuang and many other minority ethnicites of China dispite originally related genetically, geographically and ingunistically, so this is the reason why culturally Thai and Laotian modern day culture aren't close to Han-Chinese culture as the Vietnamese does.

Also Thailand is currently world's bigest Han-Chinese Comunity outside of China, there are 9.5 millions of pure 100% Han-Chinese. Also estimated over 50% of total population are Han-Chinese hybird (30-34 million of people are Thai-Chinese). So genetically Thai are more related to Chinese(or Northeast Asian) than Vietnamese does.

By the way culturally Vietnamese is obviously more closer to Han-Chinese than Thai and Laotian does, but not genetically and historical of origin.

Genetically and culturally is diffrent story and have to be divide apart.

The reason why modern day culture of Thai and Laotian are similar to Cambodian is because Tai-kadai people(during the age of migration into Southeast Asia in 13th century) were culturally less developed then the Cambodian of that time.The Tai-Kadai people didn't have any writing system or any knowledge of civilized advance achitechture which in comparison to the Cambodian(Khmer empire) of 8th to 13th century were culturally one the most advance civilization in Asia and the evidence of that is the Angkor Wat we all see today.

During the time Tai-Kadai(Thai/Laotian) people moves down to Southeast Asia and went to war with native people of Southeast Asia which is Mon-Khmer(Vietnamese/Cambodian). Dispite the Tai-kadai were more powerful then the Mon-Khmer military wise, Tai-kadai had to borrows writing system and achitechture knowledge of the Khmer-empire and slowly convinced into Khmer culture sphere because Khmer civilization on that time were considered to be powerful and rich in culture. So this would explains why modern day Thailand and Laos are culturally influenced by Khmer.

This is really the same scenario as how the Mongolian conquered China but during that time the Mongolian were culturally less advance compare to the Chinese dispite they were more powerful military wise, therefore they had to borrows writing system and achitechture knowledge and also many other cultural ideas from the Chinese then the Mongolian slowly get convinced into the Chinese culture sphere dispite being the conqueror with powerful military power.

Here is a video that uses map to explains about all of the historical events in Asia which included migration/rise of power/fall of power of all civilization in Asia started since 3000 BC up until 2019.

https://youtu.be/3S734SZ4bcc

It is obvious in the video that the original homeland of the Thai/Lao/Zhuang(Tai-kadai races) used to located under Yangtze river in China since 3000 BC(5000 years ago). While at the same time the Sinitic people(Han-Chinese) was originated on top of the Yangtze river(Nearby Korean).

Now as for Austronesian races(Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino) they were originated in Taiwan island and then migrates into The Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia in around 2200BC(4200 years ago). You can search "Austronesian out of Taiwan" if you want more info about this. The "Taiwanese aboriginal people" are closely related to them(and they are physically really resemble each other)

Now it's time for the Austro-Asiantic races (Vietnamese, Cambodian, Mon). It clearly shown that started since 3000 BC, they were originated in Southeast Asia. Did they moved from somewhere else? Nope. Did they moves to anywhere(far enough) during the course of 5000 years time period? Another big Nope. This is a crystal clear conclusion that Austro-Asiantic races (Vietnamese, Cambodian, Mon) are the true native of the Land of Southeast Asia since the dawn of time. They were originated in Southeast Asia, and always been in Southeast Asia.

[OttoVonbismarck]

Originally Posted by KhotunKhan

Historically, the original Vietnamese(Kinh) before been ruled by Han-Chinese were considered as an Austro-Asiatic ethnic which is the same group as Cambodian(Mon-khmer). Both Vietnamese (Kinh) and Cambodian (Khmer) are originated in Southeas Asia around Red River Delta and are native of Southeast Asia. The thing that makes Vietnamese(Kinh) a little bit diffrent from Cambodian (Khmer) and other Mon-Khmer ethnics is that they have been colonized by Han-Chinese for around 1000 years (from 111 B.C. to 980 A.D.) So that explains why today they looks a little bit diffrent from other Austro-Asiatic (Mon-khmer) ethnics and also why their culture you are seeing today is heavily influenced by Han-Chinese culture. Modern day Vietnamese are basically product of mixing between original Vietnamese(Mon-Khmer) Southeast asian aboriginal and the Chinese(Han) colonizer.

The Thai(Dai) on another hand has much more northerners origin than the Vietnamese (Kinh) does, also are genetically related to Northeast Asian more than the Vietnamese.

Thai(Dai) were originated in South of China and are considered as a Tai-Kadai ethnic, they were not aboriginal of Southeast Asia like the Vietnamese and Cambodian. The Thai(Dai) moved down to Southeast Asia(modern day Thailand and Laos) in 13th century during the Mongol expansion of Asia (Genghis Khan era).

The original Tai/Dai(majority ethic of Thailand and Laos) are genetically closely related to Zhuang and people in Sichuan and Yunnan of China. Tai/Dai historically were never been directly colonized by Han-Chinese just like Hmong, Zhuang and many other minority ethnicites of China dispite originally related genetically, geographically and ingunistically, so this is the reason why culturally Thai and Laotian modern day culture aren't close to Han-Chinese culture as the Vietnamese does.

Also Thailand is currently world's bigest Han-Chinese Comunity outside of China, there are 9.5 millions of pure 100% Han-Chinese. Also estimated over 50% of total population are Han-Chinese hybird (30-34 million of people are Thai-Chinese). So genetically Thai are more related to Chinese(or Northeast Asian) than Vietnamese does.

By the way culturally Vietnamese is obviously more closer to Han-Chinese than Thai and Laotian does, but not genetically and historical of origin.

Genetically and culturally is diffrent story and have to be divide apart.

The reason why modern day culture of Thai and Laotian are similar to Cambodian is because Tai-kadai people(during the age of migration into Southeast Asia in 13th century) were culturally less developed then the Cambodian of that time.The Tai-Kadai people didn't have any writing system or any knowledge of civilized advance achitechture which in comparison to the Cambodian(Khmer empire) of 8th to 13th century were culturally one the most advance civilization in Asia and the evidence of that is the Angkor Wat we all see today.

During the time Tai-Kadai(Thai/Laotian) people moves down to Southeast Asia and went to war with native people of Southeast Asia which is Mon-Khmer(Vietnamese/Cambodian). Dispite the Tai-kadai were more powerful then the Mon-Khmer military wise, Tai-kadai had to borrows writing system and achitechture knowledge of the Khmer-empire and slowly convinced into Khmer culture sphere because Khmer civilization on that time were considered to be powerful and rich in culture. So this would explains why modern day Thailand and Laos are culturally influenced by Khmer.

This is really the same scenario as how the Mongolian conquered China but during that time the Mongolian were culturally less advance compare to the Chinese dispite they were more powerful military wise, therefore they had to borrows writing system and achitechture knowledge and also many other cultural ideas from the Chinese then the Mongolian slowly get convinced into the Chinese culture sphere dispite being the conqueror with powerful military power.

Here is a video that uses map to explains about all of the historical events in Asia which included migration/rise of power/fall of power of all civilization in Asia started since 3000 BC up until 2019.

https://youtu.be/3S734SZ4bcc

It is obvious in the video that the original homeland of the Thai/Lao/Zhuang(Tai-kadai races) used to located under Yangtze river in China since 3000 BC(5000 years ago). While at the same time the Sinitic people(Han-Chinese) was originated on top of the Yangtze river(Nearby Korean).

Now as for Austronesian races(Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino) they were originated in Taiwan island and then migrates into The Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia in around 2200BC(4200 years ago). You can search "Austronesian out of Taiwan" if you want more info about this. The "Taiwanese aboriginal people" are closely related to them(and they are physically really resemble each other)

Now it's time for the Austro-Asiantic races (Vietnamese, Cambodian, Mon). It clearly shown that started since 3000 BC, they were originated in Southeast Asia. Did they moved from somewhere else? Nope. Did they moves to anywhere(far enough) during the course of 5000 years time period? Another big Nope. This is a crystal clear conclusion that Austro-Asiantic races (Vietnamese, Cambodian, Mon) are the true native of the Land of Southeast Asia since the dawn of time. They were originated in Southeast Asia, and always been in Southeast Asia.

Really interesting here, It seem like the historical migration of the people around the world are much more complicated than we thought it is.

This also somewhat answer my curiosity of why based on my experience of travels in Asia, for some reason the Thais I seen in general were usually physically resemble northeast asian more than the Vietnameses or any other southeast asian does.

I am also a big kpop fan and this could be the reason of why there are so many Thai idols (like 7-8 or something) in the kpop industry but none of other sourtheast asian made it into the kpop industry even though Thailand has much lesser population and smaller market in comparison to something like Vietnam, Indonesia or the Philippines which all has much bigger population and market than Thailand.

It's quite interesting here because when you only look at the surface you might think Vietnamese is the closest to NE asian among SE asian nations because of their culture or achitechture building. But when you dig deeper it's actually the Thai.

[manolopo]

Originally Posted by OttoVonbismarck

Really interesting here, It seem like the historical migration of the people around the world are much more complicated than we thought it is.

This also somewhat answer my curiosity of why based on my experience of travels in Asia, for some reason the Thais I seen in general were usually physically resemble northeast asian more than the Vietnameses or any other southeast asian does.

I am also a big kpop fan and this could be the reason of why there are so many Thai idols (like 7-8 or something) in the kpop industry but none of other sourtheast asian made it into the kpop industry even though Thailand has much lesser population and smaller market in comparison to something like Vietnam, Indonesia or the Philippines which all has much bigger population and market than Thailand.

It's quite interesting here because when you only look at the surface you might think Vietnamese is the closest to NE asian among SE asian nations because of their culture or achitechture building. But when you dig deeper it's actually the Thai.

Because Thailand and South Korea both has plastic surgery in common. So naturally, Thailand is where they will go to look for K-Pop stars. Plastic surgery is more taboo in the rest of Southeast Asia. And Indonesia/Philippines don't have huge populations of people who can pass as East Asian. Unlike Thailand

[OttoVonbismarck]

Originally Posted by manolopo

Because Thailand and South Korea both has plastic surgery in common. So naturally, Thailand is where they will go to look for K-Pop stars. Plastic surgery is more taboo in the rest of Southeast Asia. And Indonesia/Philippines don't have huge populations of people who can pass as East Asian. Unlike Thailand

Seem like no surprise for the Thai as the majority of Thailand's population were historically of East Asian origin, so nothing surprise that majority of Thais has East Asian appreance.

What made me curious is the case of Vietnameses whom originally of Southeast Asia origin but there is also a fact that they been colonized by the Han-Chinese directly for around 1000 years.

1000 years is a long time and there has to be some mixing and intermarriage going on between the native Vietnamese and the Han-Chinese colonizer.

From my experience there is a good amount of Vietnameses whom physically pass as an East Asian(the one that has high percentage of Han-Chinese gene in them, expecially in Northern Vietnam).

Wondering why Kpop industry didn't recruit some Vietnamese teens to join the Kpop groups? It would definitely helps their oversea marketing campaign as Vietnam is a home to almost 100 millions people and is a really big market here.

[Bettafish]

Originally Posted by OttoVonbismarck

Wondering why Kpop industry didn't recruit some Vietnamese teens to join the Kpop groups? It would definitely helps their oversea marketing campaign as Vietnam is a home to almost 100 millions people and is a really big market here.

Most if not all Kpop stars have plastic surgery, especially the females.
I don't think that's something other Asians should follow.

[Tomboy-]

Originally Posted by OttoVonbismarck

I am quite curious about the relationship between Southeast Asian and Northeast Asian in term of historically, genetically and culturally.

Can someone who is knowledgeable give some in depth explaination to me?

Genetically they are different. You don't see they look similar.
They have few or no han ancestors, unlike southern Chinese. Southern Chinese are local ethnic groups mixed with han immigrants.

[mojo101]

Some vietnamese these days have French and American blood in them.
Interesting you said Thai has many Han Chinese ,at one time Thailand must be a desirable place to emigrate to and start a business there.why would they go to Thailand and not Malaya or Indonesia?

[Tomboy-]

Southern Chinese from Fujian, Guangdong and Hainan sailed and moved to Malaya and East Indies Islands too in addition to Siam.

[mojo101]

They go everywhere to make a living-Brazil,Argentina,S Africa,
I understand SPAIN now has a sizable population of Chinese,around the tourist beaches,they operate small food stores,selling yogurt and small items.
The future queen of Spain has been taking Chinese lessons