Population decline in China hits earlier than anticipated

[Camlon]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

I understand your perspective, but I have a different view of it. Talking to him is basically asking for him to further spread misinformation. There is no actual end to this and there is little reason to engage. If someone else takes note and chimes in quoting him, then you'll see it and be able to correct that misinformation to that poster where it potentially matters to someone who might actually consider your response. There is almost no chance there is any real change in though with that guy though and doing so often means he just slides the argument to something else with even more misinformation,

Here is the ignore function: https://www.city-data.com/forum/prof...?do=ignorelist It really does make these forums less of a waste of time and gets you to actually interesting posts rather than just getting incited by trolls. On some of the forums, I find it has somewhat lowered the posting frequency of similar cranks by my not engaging with them.

You are right. In his last post, he just ignored that I adjusted the GDP of Turkey down for being authoritarian, but then tried to argue that I shouldn't adjust it down. He is clearly not being genuine, so it's a waste of time.

I moved away from Taiwan and back to the US for school and then stayed for family reasons in regards to being closer to elderly family. When they pass away or can finally be convinced to move to Taiwan, my spouse and I are likely going back to our apartment in Taipei. GDP per capita doesn't really matter for myself as both my spouse and myself can work remotely or not work at all.

Personally, I moved from Norway to China and we recently moved to Denmark. We moved to China to be closer to my spouse's family, more challenging and STEM focused education, high income compared to cost of living, laissez faire business climate and a belief that China is improving rapidly. However, China changed. STEM focused education was replaced with patriotic dumbed-down education, laissez faire business climate was replaced with crackdowns and lockdowns and the future prospects of China seemed grim. So we made the decision to move to Denmark.

Just like you, we were not motivated by the income of the country, but about what benefit us personally and financially.

[maomao]

Originally Posted by Unsettomati

I guess Chinese planners were surprised, too.


https://www.businessinsider.com/chin...roblem-2021-10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re9x2-MmayU

i'm sure you all rather see homeless people camping in downtown in every major US city. now that's what you call a housing crisis.

[Listener2307]

Originally Posted by Unsettomati

I guess Chinese planners were surprised, too.


https://www.businessinsider.com/chin...roblem-2021-10


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re9x2-MmayU

That video is one of the fairest and most informative of all the videos I have seen regarding China's housing crisis.
All is not lost yet. If China handles Russia right, and insures Russia goes broke trying to gain Ukrainian territory, China could end up with unfettered legal access to Eastern Russia's oil, gas and water and will become more prosperous.

But if China decides to take Taiwan and is clobbered by the same sanctions Russia is, it would destroy China.


The only disagreement I have with the video is the author believes 1.4M people live in China and does not anticipate a great population collapse.
Based on what I have read, I believe there are only 1.3M people in China, most available workers have already moved to the cities, and the population has started a veritable collapse. So the real estate collapse is underway and unavoidable.

[Tomboy-]

What are China's new cities?
Forget about the expensive housing.
There are still many people from poorer areas living in affordable housing in various Chinese cities.