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If hk becomes china, china dont have to send workers to hk, people will just move there and flood hk, just like the big 4 cities in china. Once hk is china, it will he the big 5. Some people will go there and work, some will open restaurants. Many poor will get jobs as waiters, cooks, bus, taxi drivers, subway station ticket agents and security guards.
The other big 4 are not seeing large population increases anymore. Compared to them, HK is likely to be less desirable due to the language and high cost of living. Living as a waiter, cook or bus driver in HK is not great, especially if you don't know Catonese and plan to settle down in HK.
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Originally Posted by accord2008
I read somewhere that hk is 10% mandarin, 90% cantonese in terms of language, if it tips to 60% mandarin, people have to start learning mandarin to survive. Also university students will go to hk for school, before they cant go there, but now they can.
It is not likely to tip to 60%, because the share of 10% that only speak mandarin will learn Cantonese over time as they need it in HK.
Also, HK universities are dropping. HKUST was #27 three years ago, now it is #60. Most mainlanders that want to study outside of the mainland will go elsewhere.
Cantonese is not a language, it's a dialect. It's more like someone who speaks Irish English vs American English. Same written language just different pronunciation and some variation of words.
Cantonese is not a language, it's a dialect. It's more like someone who speaks Irish English vs American English. Same written language just different pronunciation and some variation of words.
You perfectly demonstrated that you know little to nothing about Chinese. It is true that the written language is the same but is so much variation between Mandarin and Cantonese and among the different forms of Cantonese that Cantonese is not a dialect but more of a language group. Try speaking Cantonese to a Mandarin speaker and see if he/she can understand.
Cantonese is not a language, it's a dialect. It's more like someone who speaks Irish English vs American English. Same written language just different pronunciation and some variation of words.
If its that simple, then no dialects will go extinct. Your compaing accents with dialects. If its that simple, everyone in china dont have to learn mandarin, and just speak their dialect with other dialects and can communicate. After decades of pushing mandarin, theres still a certain amount of people who cant speak mandarin.
Hong Kong's GDP used to be by far the largest in terms of GDP of all Chinese cities 20 years ago when it was returned back to China in 1997, but now it's GDP in 2022 at US$361 billion has fallen to about 6th or 7th (around or behind Suzhou due to exchange rate fluctuations).
I agree that it is not just the accents,
Even among the descendants of the various Yue groups, their substrate languages are so varied that they could hardly understand each other today. I take it that Accord2008 is a Cantonese-speaker, can he understand Minnan / Fujian. The video below has Mandarin subtitles, and the singer is from Taiwan.
Per Wikipedia, "Yue or Baiyue were various ethnic groups who inhabited the regions of Southern China and Northern Vietnam during the 1st millennium BC and 1st millennium AD."
Britanica version - "Yue, Wade-Giles romanization Yüeh, aboriginal people of South China who in the 5th–4th century bce formed a powerful kingdom in present-day Zhejiang and Fujian provinces. The name Vietnam means “south of the Yue,” and some Chinese scholars consider the Vietnamese to be descendants of the Yue."
Cantonese is not a language, it's a dialect. It's more like someone who speaks Irish English vs American English. Same written language just different pronunciation and some variation of words.
Cantonese is not a language, it's a dialect. It's more like someone who speaks Irish English vs American English. Same written language just different pronunciation and some variation of words.
If you think Catonese and Mandarin are like Irish English and American English, then you clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Even in Guangdong, they will use traditional characters when they can't find corresponding word in Simplified Chinese while writing in Cantonese. In comparison, Danish and Norwegian are also written very similar, but no one believes Norwegian and Danish are dialects.
In comparison, Danish and Norwegian are also written very similar, but no one believes Norwegian and Danish are dialects.
Many European languages are a lot more like dialects than Cantonese and Mandarin are. Norwegian and Swedish, Czech and Slovak, Yugoslavian languages are all mutually intelligible and are only called languages for political reasons. Cantonese and Mandarin are literally as different as English and German.
Cantonese is not a language, it's a dialect. It's more like someone who speaks Irish English vs American English. Same written language just different pronunciation and some variation of words.
More like Gaelic or Welsh vs. American English, honestly. Cantonese is significantly different from Mandarin. If it was literally just a regional dialect/accent, no one would care.
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It is true that the written language is the same but is so much variation between Mandarin and Cantonese and among the different forms of Cantonese that Cantonese is not a dialect but more of a language group. Try speaking Cantonese to a Mandarin speaker and see if he/she can understand.
