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Old 08-20-2023, 12:21 AM
 
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I was in Guangzhou 10 years ago and had to switch to mandarin just so i dont have to know someone is not cantonese. 60% of the time its not cantonese.

With hong kong the way it is, i do see the ccp will allow more mandarin speakers go there to visit, move, education, etc, and there will be a point where people have to lnow mandarin. Would it take 20 years to be 60% mandarin?
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Old 08-20-2023, 01:28 AM
 
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haha, keep up with the BS.

here is a video of qingdao university (located in shangdong province, which is no where near guangdong province)
graduation ceremony. They are singing a cantonese song. in fact, cantonese music is more popular than ever due to recent national tv entertainment shows. but sure, keep up with the BS of "ccp killing cantonese"

https://youtu.be/6eo6VOZilrc?t=876
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Old 08-20-2023, 01:52 AM
 
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haha, keep up with the BS.

here is a video of qingdao university (located in shangdong province, which is no where near guangdong province)
graduation ceremony. They are singing a cantonese song. in fact, cantonese music is more popular than ever due to recent national tv entertainment shows. but sure, keep up with the BS of "ccp killing cantonese"

https://youtu.be/6eo6VOZilrc?t=876
Having cantonese songs doesn't mean people can speak or understand it. I heard cantonese songs in beijing a few times, and every time i asked the owner who plays it, they dont speak cantonese. Many cantonese songs have a good rhythm, and the four heavenly kings was huge in the 90's.
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Old 08-20-2023, 02:06 AM
 
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Having cantonese songs doesn't mean people can speak or understand it. I heard cantonese songs in beijing a few times, and every time i asked the owner who plays it, they dont speak cantonese. Many cantonese songs have a good rhythm, and the four heavenly kings was huge in the 90's.
but that sort of killed your idea of "ccp killing cantonese" doesn't it?

if they ever plan to not let "hong kong keep cantonese", wouldn't they start with banning cantonese in northern province, then southern province, then guangdong province, and finally hong kong?

so your so call "ccp letting mandarin speaking people populate hong kong" doesn't make sense either. those chinese people visit hong kong are likely cantonese music fans
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Old 08-20-2023, 02:14 AM
 
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but that sort of killed your idea of "ccp killing cantonese" doesn't it?

if they ever plan to not let "hong kong keep cantonese", wouldn't they start with banning cantonese in northern province, then southern province, then guangdong province, and finally hong kong?

so your so call "ccp letting mandarin speaking people populate hong kong" doesn't make sense either. those chinese people visit hong kong are likely cantonese music fans
When in my post have i ever said the ccp is killing or banning cantonese?
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Old 08-20-2023, 02:19 AM
 
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"i do see the ccp will allow more mandarin speakers go there to visit, move, education, etc, and there will be a point where people have to lnow mandarin"

anyways, basically, you're using your observation in guangzhou 10 years ago to try to make a point.

the problem is, you don't realize how big guangzhou and how diverse it is. if you go to the right places, it can even be majority english, or majority arabic. try going to old districts like haizhu district and it'll be majority cantonese. but you probably never heard of that have you?
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Old 08-20-2023, 02:31 AM
 
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"i do see the ccp will allow more mandarin speakers go there to visit, move, education, etc, and there will be a point where people have to lnow mandarin"

anyways, basically, you're using your observation in guangzhou 10 years ago to try to make a point.

the problem is, you don't realize how big guangzhou and how diverse it is. if you go to the right places, it can even be majority english, or majority arabic. try going to old districts like haizhu district and it'll be majority cantonese. but you probably never heard of that have you?
"I do see the ccp will allow more mandarin speakers go there to visit, move, education, etc, and there will be a point where people have to lnow mandarin"

So that is forcing and killing? Allowing is forcing and killing?
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Old 08-20-2023, 02:32 AM
 
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here is a youtube channel showing the most recent/updates daily programs of official guangdong province tv controlled by the ccp. it's full of cantonese. you know cantonese right? don't take it from me, see it for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/@Entertainment-life/videos
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Old 08-20-2023, 03:12 AM
 
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here is a youtube channel showing the most recent/updates daily programs of official guangdong province tv controlled by the ccp. it's full of cantonese. you know cantonese right? don't take it from me, see it for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/@Entertainment-life/videos
There are many 20 year olds and younger kids in Guangzhou that is born and raised there, their parents speak cantonese, but they cant speak it. Sooner or later as older people die off, there will be a point where cantonese will be gone, and a tiny percentage of people can speak it, but they cant because they dont know who to speak it to.

Hong kong is in that trajectory but it will take more time than guangzhou. I know people who lives in a provincial capital and their teenage kid and their friends cant speak the dialect already, only knowing some phrases but reply back in mandarin.
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Old 08-20-2023, 03:26 AM
 
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There are many 20 year olds and younger kids in Guangzhou that is born and raised there, their parents speak cantonese, but they cant speak it. Sooner or later as older people die off, there will be a point where cantonese will be gone, and a tiny percentage of people can speak it, but they cant because they dont know who to speak it to.

Hong kong is in that trajectory but it will take more time than guangzhou. I know people who lives in a provincial capital and their teenage kid and their friends cant speak the dialect already, only knowing some phrases but reply back in mandarin.
don't you speak the language that your parents speak even if you don't learn/speak it in school?

i know it will be harder if it's chinese at home/english at school

but it will be the same through out china for cantonese at home/mandarin at school, or shanghainese at home/mandarin at school, or sichunese at home/mandarin at school.

so you're saying, there will be a point where all local dialect in china will be gone? only mandarin left?

why single out cantonese?
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