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Old 12-09-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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Because you wrote:

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what I am saying is that imposing property tax upon a small church like mine means shutting it down
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It didn't appear that you were in favor of shutting the church down, so that leaves a tax exemption to keep it open.
But the first part of the sentence you quoted said,
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I also agree about the property taxes, but..
Of course I am not in favor of shutting the church down, because it has meant something socially to me and others, but I know it is inevitable that it will be. The Diocese will likely kill it before property tax on churches is enacted, though.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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Or, if very small 'congregations', move to members dwellings...or consolidate... which seems to be a problem since so many Christians can't seem to get along with one another.
Tell me about it! I'm a mod on the City-Data Christianity forum, remember?

Hell, the church I went to back in 1997 got picketed by the Baptists the first time we did a SSM (or "blessing of the union" as it was called before there was legal SSM). That dynamic hasn't changed.

Seriously, that is what will have to change if churches do continue to exist. The model of having a church facility as the center of a community has been dying for a long, long time except maybe in certain pockets of the country.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Tell me about it! I'm a mod on the City-Data Christianity forum, remember?

Hell, the church I went to back in 1997 got picketed by the Baptists the first time we did a SSM (or "blessing of the union" as it was called before there was legal SSM). That dynamic hasn't changed.

Seriously, that is what will have to change if churches do continue to exist. The model of having a church facility as the center of a community has been dying for a long, long time except maybe in certain pockets of the country.
Can't rep you because, at this point because 25 other members haven't been
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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A non profit organization is still a private organization. So, that would make it a private library which has been opened to the public by whomever owns it. A public library is funded by community taxes.

Public property means that it is owned by the public, administered by a governmental agency.
If you want to go down all these different paths of arguing, go right ahead. You do this all time. Argue minutiae while missing the key points.

I'm going to explain it once. I call a library that ANYONE can join, for free, and operated by a non-profit organization as a place where the public can go. If you choose to look at it differently, go right ahead. If you want to pick, pick, pick. Go right ahead. But I won't see it cause you're now on my long ignore list...two other people.
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Old 12-09-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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A non profit organization is still a private organization. So, that would make it a private library which has been opened to the public by whomever owns it. A public library is funded by community taxes.

Public property means that it is owned by the public, administered by a governmental agency.
If you want to go down all these different paths of arguing, go right ahead. You do this all time. Argue minutiae while missing the key points.

I'm going to explain it once. I call a library that ANYONE can join, for free, and operated by a non-profit organization as a place where the public can go. If you choose to look at it differently, go right ahead. If you want to pick, pick, pick. Go right ahead. But I' ignoring your posts from now on.
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Old 12-09-2019, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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If you want to go down all these different paths of arguing, go right ahead. You do this all time. Argue minutiae while missing the key points.

I'm going to explain it once. I call a library that ANYONE can join, for free, and operated by a non-profit organization as a place where the public can go. If you choose to look at it differently, go right ahead. If you want to pick, pick, pick. Go right ahead. But I' ignoring your posts from now on.
The incorrect person will always view the correction as "picking." Irrespective of what you like to call it, a public entity is an entity owned by the public and supported by taxes. That isn't "my way", that is what it is.

And the problem isn't the correction, the problem is the error.
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Old 12-09-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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This isn't a "new" enlightenment; the original Enlightenment isn't finished yet. And its ultimate success is not yet assured.
I disagree. Eventually it is assured. Mysticism exists only as long as people need it. We reduce the need for it with every passing day. I’d say we are about 500-700 years from a time when mysticism is entirely in the rear-view mirror. PTL!
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Old 12-09-2019, 03:27 PM
 
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Not sure I get the connection between a Christian church and mysticism?



Mysticism is the practice of religious ecstasies (religious experiences during alternate states of consciousness), together with whatever ideologies, ethics, rites, myths, legends, and magic may be related to them.[web 1] It may also refer to the attainment of insight in ultimate or hidden truths, and to human transformation supported by various practices and experiences

Broadly defined, mysticism can be found in all religious traditions, from indigenous religions and folk religions like shamanism, to organized religions like the Abrahamic faiths and Indian religions, and modern spirituality, New Age and New Religious Movements

Mysticism WAS, IS, and WILL be regardless of how religions come and parish.....
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:54 PM
 
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Not sure I get the connection between a Christian church and mysticism?



Mysticism is the practice of religious ecstasies (religious experiences during alternate states of consciousness), together with whatever ideologies, ethics, rites, myths, legends, and magic may be related to them.[web 1] It may also refer to the attainment of insight in ultimate or hidden truths, and to human transformation supported by various practices and experiences

Broadly defined, mysticism can be found in all religious traditions, from indigenous religions and folk religions like shamanism, to organized religions like the Abrahamic faiths and Indian religions, and modern spirituality, New Age and New Religious Movements

Mysticism WAS, IS, and WILL be regardless of how religions come and parish.....
as long as we are human this is true. People's wish that it will go away won't happen til we are not human anymore. It also wont go away because so of the things they say can be linked back to the standard model.

wishing mysticism away is like wishing art away. it won't happen.
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Old 12-11-2019, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I disagree. Eventually it is assured. Mysticism exists only as long as people need it. We reduce the need for it with every passing day. I’d say we are about 500-700 years from a time when mysticism is entirely in the rear-view mirror. PTL!
Mysticism will never be gone, but it will be much better understood.
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