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It's just extremely unclear what you're attempting to say, sorry. I'm not a mind reader.
Here's an idea: look at what you just posted as if you were someone else. Does it make any sense?
here's an idea. Take what you think and approach it from all angles and see how it holds up. Apply the same standards you do other people to yourself and see how your ideas hold up.
here's an idea. Take what you think and approach it from all angles and see how it holds up. Apply the same standards you do other people to yourself and see how your ideas hold up.
Again, that makes no sense. It's not specific enough to be of any use. I am more than willing to respond but I can't because I can tell what you mean. Anyway, carry on.
To elaborate at bit on my initial answer, my objections to Abrahamic religions were that they were patriarchal. Women are treated like chattel, admonished to be obedient, and all of that. If you are female, posting in this forum, doesn't that bother you?
I wanted to restore the culture to an earlier, ancient culture where women were independent. Not sure this actually existed but there was a (presumably accurate) documentary made about a large tribe of women, a matriarchy. This was traced (presumably accurately) genetically, through the modern era. It wasn't a fiction, in other words. And this group was the source of Plato's Amazon reference.
Yet a second idea suggests that witches were the traces of a matriarchal culture, destroyed by the encroaching patriarchy that took over Europe. This seems plausible to me, but I'm not an historian.
What should be admitted--at the very least--is that there is a very powerful strain of misogyny in Abrahamic religions. "Dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women" is an underlying theme with men, both straight and gay. And has been exhibited in this forum a couple of times. It also exists amongst women, oddly enough.
hey last, this aint rocket science. All we can do is compare what people are claiming to what each of us say and check to see if we can link it back to what the science shows us.
some people claim deity. ok, we agree, it doesn't exist.
other claim a living universe or at the very least a thinking universe.
Well last, you might not like it but we can support that claim. I personally don't think going that far has enough observation for so I lean towards I don't think so.
Saying "no way" doesn't really make sense scientifically speaking.
others, like myself, think that we are surrounded by a system better described as life more than non-life. Some go a little furthur and call the biosphere an organism. I don't.
But last, the important thing is that it is supported by science.
others say "something else". Ok, for some reason they are unwilling to say more. Usually, when pressed, it comes down to "but theist will miss use it." or there is no need to go that far. But the bottom line is we understand there is no more than the universe but we are in a larger more complex system.
ok last, what do you have in terms of this?
arach is wanna be theist coward with a persecution complex
is that really what you are bringing to the table to add to the list so we can see what claims people make have merit and what ones don't?
Because nobody disagrees. (1) So I'll try to translate Arach. Once you know what he's doing, he's laughably transparent and clumsy.
He has this meme that ''New' atheists are as bad as Theist fundies (extremists left and right) and only he is in the sweet reasonable middle.
Then he lights on something - anything ('women' for instance, or my 'springboard' or 'Something More' - which he evidently doesn't understand) and then leaps to this 'extremists' accusation, leaving everyone bewildered.
He then or also picks up something in your own post and re -uses it back at you. That this often makes no sense doesn't bother him in the least.
Keep this in mind, and that this is blind lashing out or bashing, not arguing, plus a realisation that he is trying to patch a tatty version of Mystic's 'Cosmic mind' (Arach will use the same ideas but as 'living universe') over this 'atheism' of his as a way of disproving the (Wrong Kind) atheists, and Arach's flat -footed and bone -headed posting isn't then hard to Suss.
Finally a lot of whining about persecution and wild accusations which I soon found out is wasted time to respond to and I only did to explain my side to the browsers and punters (not at all pejorative terms, Folks ) and I now trust that nobody is listening to this blow up self - styled atheist, the biggest embarrassment to Atheism since David Silverman, or credit his accusations of my 'hiding' from him.
(1) a discussion on what looks like a neolithic matriarchal culture -europe -wide and my never -ending support for feminism, (aside from inverted sexism, man -hate and 'liberating' women by making them behave like men) would be interesting and rewarding, but off -topic.
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(1) So I'll try to translate Arach. Once you know what he's doing, he's laughably transparent and clumsy. 
