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"We don't need such antiquated ideas and beliefs and it does nothing but cause strife and wars."
Dude, get your posts straight. I said that, not phet. And I stand by it, except to add that the bible was written by ignorant, goat herding men who wrote down their dreams and fantasies and somehow that turned into a book that is worshiped? Yeah, that's totally evidence to have an argument to prove you're right, that there is indeed a god. Try responding without the book. You got nothing. Well, that's nothing new though.
The rest of your post, meh. There's a reason I deleted it.
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I swear this has got to be the most whacked out post I can't believe you're actually for real. What? "Those like me"? Rape is ok with me and those like me? Yeah it's all sin and debauchery with us heathens, because we don't buy into the biggest hoax of all time? And just because I am an atheist, I also believe a "theory" to be evidence? Mm this confusion and assumptions are all things that you have been taught. Investigate for yourself.
Go to the "Ask An Atheist" thread and learn something new. Like, we're not evil! We're not without values and morals and it's ridiculous to say otherwise. Plenty of so-called Christians who commit unthinkable, heinous, evil things and most of the time they are committed under the guise of religion. Atheists are in the minority and we're not looking to take over the world with our special voodoo atheist magic. All I am doing is like I stated in the thread mentioned above.
Oh I used to be just like you, thinking the Rapture was really going to happen and all the degenerates, sinners and atheists (because atheists are in an evil category of their own) and sinners would be left behind to live through the awful Tribulation. You ain't got nothing on me, just ask Mystic. He thinks my story is fascinating.
Yep, absolutely no way to be a good person if you don't believe in a god. Everything I said was completely twisted and not only that, lies were fabricated about me personally. You know what assuming gets you don't you? If you'd like I will share my story with you but it will have to be in above-mentioned thread. Or, you could look back through the many monikers of mine for my story.
Either way, you're so wrong it completely blows my mind.
As an American, shame on you. "$12,350 is the average annual tuition among the nation's 22,440 private K-12 schools". There are millions of Americans who would not be able to send their children to a private school. But, I guess there are many religious people who would like to dumb down America for religious purposes.
"There are millions of Americans who would not be able to send their children to a private school."
Oh wow, look at this..."not be able to send their children" and so I'm supposed to pay for THEIR children. I'm also supposed to pay for THEIR children to learn science fiction about how materialism gave us all this since they have NO evidence how that can be. So I need to pay up for THEIR children to learn science fiction. And our public schools are not tuning out well-educated kids for all the money we are forced to pay.
"But, I guess there are many religious people who would like to dumb down America for religious purposes."
Oh, ok smart person, do tell me how this universe came into existence on its own. Then we'll move on from there with what followed. Surely you can do it since you are not dumbed down like me. Bless me with your vast knowledge of science, NOT science fiction. Please do since you are sure to supply such great laughs.
Because we evolved to live in groups, and not raping is also an evolutionary adaptation. Raping group members is bad for the group, and as our morality developed (as can be seen through history, so is clearly man made), we have thankfully developed the idea that any rape is bad. Unfortunately too many people still need to learn this lesson, but we do not need a god (especially one that promotes rape) to explain this.
That some people rape, therefore our morality must come from a god is not a very good argument.
We have over 2000 years of science that always says it was not a god.
Apart from biology, anthropology, psychology, we also have philosophy dating back to before Aristotle explaining why we have morality.
Either there was absolutely nothing, including rules saying how absolutely nothing should behave, or there was an eternal something. No god is required for either position, and Godidit would raise more questions than it answers.
There are different theories about how our universe came about, none of them require a god, and all of them are simpler than the idea that a brainless, immaterial intelligence who for some unexplained reason just happens to know every thing, including complex science just somehow spoke everything into existence.
So it is YOU who has NO evidence, just a book.
"Because we evolved to live in groups"
We'll start with the start, creation. How did that come about on its own that eventually led to us coming about? You kind of took some LARGE leap there. Show that you truly have given this thought rather than just leaping all of the place.
"That some people rape, therefore our morality must come from a god is not a very good argument."
For those that are honest, which is not you. I gave that in the context of....
From Northsouth, "We don't "need" a religion to keep us on the straight and narrow, we have moral compasses for that."
My response to that, ---Randy Thornhill and Craig Palmer with the publication of their book, “A Natural History of Rape,†which posits that rape is an evolutionary adaptation—enabling men to increase their reproductive capabilities by gaining access to women they otherwise couldn’t attract.
Then you skipped the rest of what I gave...So why wouldn't that be bad to those like you? By your standards, this whole universe came about by mere chances that were unguided that eventually led to you. There is NO science to back that up yet you still believe it to be true. Now you're going to tell me we don't need a higher authority for morals? By what authority do you speak since you don't care that you have NO science to back up your position? From the start, how did the universe come about naturally?
And this was how it came about naturally with this 'science' from you....
"Either there was absolutely nothing, including rules saying how absolutely nothing should behave, or there was an eternal something. No god is required for either position, and Godidit would raise more questions than it answers.
There are different theories about how our universe came about, none of them require a god, and all of them are simpler than the idea that a brainless, immaterial intelligence who for some unexplained reason just happens to know every thing, including complex science just somehow spoke everything into existence"
Well, that was great if you only would have included science to back you up. But.....since you lacked that, it was quite a joke.
"So it is YOU who has NO evidence, just a book."
No, actually, I DO have science and you supplied NONE. You supplied NONE because you have NONE. Ha!
Evidence points to nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. It must be observable, repeatable, and falsifiable. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This (the 1LT and 2LT) all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the doubters resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We know these laws and have NO doubts about them.
Then after creation*there are a WHOLE lot of things science never got around such as the fine-tuning of the universe so life can exist on earth, the beginning*of life, the designs of life forms, the information needing to be there before life started, the synchrony needed from the start, asexual and sexual reproduction, consciousness, logic, etc.
I swear this has got to be the most whacked out post I can't believe you're actually for real. What? "Those like me"? Rape is ok with me and those like me? Yeah it's all sin and debauchery with us heathens, because we don't buy into the biggest hoax of all time? And just because I am an atheist, I also believe a "theory" to be evidence? Mm this confusion and assumptions are all things that you have been taught. Investigate for yourself.
Go to the "Ask An Atheist" thread and learn something new. Like, we're not evil! We're not without values and morals and it's ridiculous to say otherwise. Plenty of so-called Christians who commit unthinkable, heinous, evil things and most of the time they are committed under the guise of religion. Atheists are in the minority and we're not looking to take over the world with our special voodoo atheist magic. All I am doing is like I stated in the thread mentioned above.
Oh I used to be just like you, thinking the Rapture was really going to happen and all the degenerates, sinners and atheists (because atheists are in an evil category of their own) and sinners would be left behind to live through the awful Tribulation. You ain't got nothing on me, just ask Mystic. He thinks my story is fascinating.
Yep, absolutely no way to be a good person if you don't believe in a god. Everything I said was completely twisted and not only that, lies were fabricated about me personally. You know what assuming gets you don't you? If you'd like I will share my story with you but it will have to be in above-mentioned thread. Or, you could look back through the many monikers of mine for my story.
Either way, you're so wrong it completely blows my mind.
"Atheists are in the minority and we're not looking to take over the world with our special voodoo atheist magic."
See, you don't have morals. You have no science how we got all this and so YOU depend on magic. Magic gave the universe coming into existence and all that followed used your magic that eventually led to us. You don't have science so YOU depend on magic.
"You know what assuming gets you don't you?"
I'm not the one assuming, YOU are.
Look at what you ignored like the ones previous to you ignored...
Me...---So why wouldn't that be bad to those like you? By your standards, this whole universe came about by mere chances that were unguided that eventually led to you. There is NO science to back that up yet you still believe it to be true. Now you're going to tell me we don't need a higher authority for morals? By what authority do you speak since you don't care that you have NO science to back up your position? From the start, how did the universe come about naturally?---
Look at you all run from that with your blah-blah to fill in space because you know you have NO science for your position and that it's YOUR side that depends on magic.
"We don't need such antiquated ideas and beliefs and it does nothing but cause strife and wars."
The claim was made in a blanket way, despite the fact that the article I gave showed...."it gets worse for the atheists’ claim. A strong case can be made that atheism, not religion, and certainly not Christianity, is responsible for a far greater degree of bloodshed."
Now look at you run from that...
"Well first of all, I'm sure that we're all happy that you admit that religion does sometimes cause war."
Wow, you just really want to shine your halo real bad as you ignore you don't deserve any halo.
As the article showed..."If you remove the 66 wars waged in the name of Islam, it cuts the number down to a little more than 3%."
You won't look at all the needless suffering of your side...
"I'm certain that no one died or suffered needlessly in those 123 wars caused by religion. "
YOUR side said rape was good for evolution. How nice of your side. And why not, according to your side, we all got here by mere chance anyway with NO science to back that up, but....you're ok with that. Somehow that makes you feel important.
'Second, I'm sure we're all satisfied that you're using sources for your research that are neutral."
Oh, so it was not correct but you just lacked the evidence to show that their evidence was not correct. Wow, that must have took a lot of research time for you to give nothing.
"give us the proof that is more substantial than the scientific answers for how life and the universe began and evolved."
They happened supernaturally. I need to teach you some basic science.
Evidence points to nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. It must be observable, repeatable, and falsifiable. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This (the 1LT and 2LT) all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the doubters resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We know these laws and have NO doubts about them.
Then after creation*there are a WHOLE lot of things science never got around such as the fine-tuning of the universe so life can exist on earth, the beginning*of life, the designs of life forms, the information needing to be there before life started, the synchrony needed from the start, asexual and sexual reproduction, consciousness, logic, etc.
I don't like it when people lie.
When you're responding to me, you need to be clear when you are or are not quoting me. And in this post, you have intentionally been misleading about that.
"There are millions of Americans who would not be able to send their children to a private school."
Oh wow, look at this..."not be able to send their children" and so I'm supposed to pay for THEIR children. I'm also supposed to pay for THEIR children to learn science fiction about how materialism gave us all this since they have NO evidence how that can be. So I need to pay up for THEIR children to learn science fiction. And our public schools are not tuning out well-educated kids for all the money we are forced to pay.
"But, I guess there are many religious people who would like to dumb down America for religious purposes."
Oh, ok smart person, do tell me how this universe came into existence on its own. Then we'll move on from there with what followed. Surely you can do it since you are not dumbed down like me. Bless me with your vast knowledge of science, NOT science fiction. Please do since you are sure to supply such great laughs.
You clearly don't understand what it means to be part of a society. Why don't you personally pave the highway that leads to your house? After all, I don't use it.
There are things that society works together to accomplish. Education has long been one of those things in this country.
You clearly don't understand what it means to be part of a society. Why don't you personally pave the highway that leads to your house? After all, I don't use it.
There are things that society works together to accomplish. Education has long been one of those things in this country.
Look at this, you can't keep to the topic at hand. Try to follow the bouncing ball...I have to pay for other kids that are not my own to go to school. Now, you silly comparison of...
"You clearly don't understand what it means to be part of a society. Why don't you personally pave the highway that leads to your house? After all, I don't use it."
Just a quick search by me showed...."Primary funding comes from traditional sources such as gas tax revenues, vehicle registration fees, federal reimbursements and local participation."
See, if I drive a lot and use more gas and I pay more for taxes that pay for gas. You do the same. That was too much for you though, so somehow your non sequitur means I need to pay for children I didn't parent to go to school.
"Education has long been one of those things in this country"
It has been a thing of govt control and to take freedoms. You're obviously in favor of that so your religion of magic that gave us all this and you don't need any evidence to back that up. And....I'm forced to make people brainless like that. Wow, how noble of you.
Look at this, you can't keep to the topic at hand. Try to follow the bouncing ball...I have to pay for other kids that are not my own to go to school. Now, you silly comparison of...
"You clearly don't understand what it means to be part of a society. Why don't you personally pave the highway that leads to your house? After all, I don't use it."
Just a quick search by me showed...."Primary funding comes from traditional sources such as gas tax revenues, vehicle registration fees, federal reimbursements and local participation."
See, if I drive a lot and use more gas and I pay more for taxes that pay for gas. You do the same. That was too much for you though, so somehow your non sequitur means I need to pay for children I didn't parent to go to school.
"Education has long been one of those things in this country"
It has been a thing of govt control and to take freedoms. You're obviously in favor of that so your religion of magic that gave us all this and you don't need any evidence to back that up. And....I'm forced to make people brainless like that. Wow, how noble of you.
Dude, get your posts straight. I said that, not phet. And I stand by it, except to add that the bible was written by ignorant, goat herding men who wrote down their dreams and fantasies and somehow that turned into a book that is worshiped? Yeah, that's totally evidence to have an argument to prove you're right, that there is indeed a god. Try responding without the book. You got nothing. Well, that's nothing new though.
The rest of your post, meh. There's a reason I deleted it.
"Dude, get your posts straight. I said that, not phet."
No, you need to keep it straight. I responded to you and phet included your comment. That was easy to look up but why should you do that? Just accuse me since you care little about such things.
"And I stand by it, except to add that the bible was written by ignorant, goat herding men who wrote down their dreams and fantasies and somehow that turned into a book that is worshiped? Yeah, that's totally evidence to have an argument to prove you're right, that there is indeed a god. Try responding without the book. You got nothing. Well, that's nothing new though."
And that SOMEHOW was how we got all this naturally. That SOMEHOW was an answer to my....By your standards, this whole universe came about by mere chances that were unguided that eventually led to you. There is NO science to back that up yet you still believe it to be true. Now you're going to tell me we don't need a higher authority for morals? By what authority do you speak since you don't care that you have NO science to back up your position? From the start, how did the universe come about naturally?
You're the supposed education one as you are just another who CAN'T supply science for your beliefs. How many times must I write?..---Evidence points to nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. It must be observable, repeatable, and falsifiable. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This (the 1LT and 2LT) all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the doubters resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We know these laws and have NO doubts about them.
Then after creation*there are a WHOLE lot of things science never got around such as the fine-tuning of the universe so life can exist on earth, the beginning*of life, the designs of life forms, the information needing to be there before life started, the synchrony needed from the start, asexual and sexual reproduction, consciousness, logic, etc.----
When will one of you have the balls to actually give science for your position that this all happened naturally? Will it be months, years? What?
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"Those like me"? Rape is ok with me and those like me? Yeah it's all sin and debauchery with us heathens, because we don't buy into the biggest hoax of all time? And just because I am an atheist, I also believe a "theory" to be evidence? Mm this confusion and assumptions are all things that you have been taught. Investigate for yourself. 
