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Old 08-22-2023, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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Does it have that effect on you? My atheism isn’t comforting, but my psychological health/ability to problem-solve (and gratitude for what I have) certainly has as well as my relationships with a romantic partner, friends and family.
Evidently your sarcasm detector is defective. Both responses were not sincere.
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Old 08-22-2023, 07:17 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Evidently your sarcasm detector is defective. Both responses were not sincere.
Apparently yours is, as I specifically called it out as such. That said, ‘comfort’ or an inability to cope with life’s problems is a legitimate reason to hang onto the concept of a god. Hence, my point re: psychological health, the ability to problem-solve and stable, healthy relationships can go a long way in promoting atheism rather than anger or being unnecessarily confrontational, as folks do have a right to believe what they want to believe.
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Old 08-22-2023, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Born + raised SF Bay; Tyler, TX now WNY
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I don’t have any desire to eliminate religion in any way. Just because I don’t get it and don’t believe doesn’t mean anybody else shouldn’t.
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Old 08-22-2023, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Does it have that effect on you? My atheism isn’t comforting, but my psychological health/ability to problem-solve (and gratitude for what I have) certainly has as well as my relationships with a romantic partner, friends and family.
Yes it does because it represents freedom from oppression and freedom of thought
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Old 08-22-2023, 08:39 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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I am happy for anyone who gets comfort from atheism.
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Does it have that effect on you? My atheism isn’t comforting, but my psychological health/ability to problem-solve (and gratitude for what I have) certainly has as well as my relationships with a romantic partner, friends and family.
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Yes it does because it represents freedom from oppression and freedom of thought
Point being, per your thread, freedom from religion equates to freedom of religion. That said, you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes comfort (in a time of grief or sadness) and psychological health, overall.
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Old 08-22-2023, 08:47 PM
 
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Yes it does because it represents freedom from oppression and freedom of thought
and for many people, a path of religion and spirituality represents freedom from oppression and freedom of thought.
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Old 08-22-2023, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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Apparently yours is, as I specifically called it out as such. That said, ‘comfort’ or an inability to cope with life’s problems is a legitimate reason to hang onto the concept of a god. Hence, my point re: psychological health, the ability to problem-solve and stable, healthy relationships can go a long way in promoting atheism rather than anger or being unnecessarily confrontational, as folks do have a right to believe what they want to believe.
Sure. I don't disagree with most of this, some need religion/god simply to be able to cope. I get that. I used to be one of them. Yes, psychological health, problem-solving and stable relationships seem to elude the religious but they are not all like that. Give credit where credit is due. There are many, many religious people who are highly intelligent, I just consider them to be misguided and brainwashed.
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Old 08-22-2023, 10:53 PM
 
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there are believers with psychological health, problem solving skills, and stable relationships.
people with different beliefs than your own beliefs, does not mean they are "brainwashed" or "misguided" or have psychological deficiencies.

it just means that they hold different beliefs about religion and spirituality.
as an earlier post pointed out, people have the freedom to choose what they believe or don't believe.
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Old 08-22-2023, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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and for many people, a path of religion and spirituality represents freedom from oppression and freedom of thought.
depends on the religion. tell that to some kids who grew up in a catholic school
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Old 08-23-2023, 07:43 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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depends on the religion. tell that to some kids who grew up in a catholic school
You’ve presented this issue/comment many times; as such, it sounds personal for you, and I’m sorry for whatever it is you endured. That said, criminal activity is not the same as, or part of, the religion in and of itself; hence, stopping persons involved in such within (or under the guise of) a religious atmosphere is not the same as stopping religion, per your thread.
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