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Old 11-18-2021, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Germany
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And why would anyone make such a choice?

And, at least in my case, just because you had a nutty aunt and a overprotective grandmother...people are putting too much emphasis on that. I have related a couple of stories here about a couple members of my family. I quickly became a successful teacher and principal, traveled extensively, and have had a great life after a less than ideal teenage period. A few of our posters have had far more difficulty getting over my teenage stress than I myself did. But we know why that is...they're using a difficult time in my life (12-17) as a weapon against a poster that doesn't share their religious views.
Yes, why would my Grandfather choose to be born in to a family that would be murdered by the Nazis when he was 8?

But apparently we should not blame the Nazis.
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Old 11-18-2021, 10:56 AM
 
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Yes, why would my Grandfather choose to be born in to a family that would be murdered by the Nazis when he was 8?

But apparently we should not blame the Nazis.
Apparently 6 million Jews had some life lessons they needed to learn


And you have to wonder what was going on with the soul that chose to advance in the spirit world by choosing to be born as Hitler.
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Old 11-18-2021, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Right. Children suffer emotionally because the adults around them were damaged individuals themselves who did not have the emotional tools or skill to protect their children. The same therapy holds for children as well - forgive yourself and forgive those who harmed you. Until you do that they will always have their hooks on you. True realization, awareness and faith that the power to heal is within you, comes eventually.
Blaming on the other hand has no limit, it is an addiction that feels good, and only helps the feeling of victimhood to dig in deeper. It comes out in ugly ways. Always.
Perhaps "holding responsible" and "blaming" are two somewhat different concepts.
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Old 11-18-2021, 11:04 AM
 
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Perhaps "holding responsible" and "blaming" are two somewhat different concepts.
They are not. Regardless of sematics neither is going to help the aggrieved person. Only holding themselves responsible for getting their emotional life straightened out so their physical life causes no harm to themselves or others will.
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Old 11-18-2021, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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They are not. Regardless of sematics neither is going to help the aggrieved person. Only holding themselves responsible for getting their emotional life straightened out so their physical life causes no harm to themselves or others will.
There's a responsibility for who did wrong to begin with, and the responsibility to right the ship. Two different things.
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Old 11-18-2021, 12:27 PM
 
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Right. Children suffer emotionally because the adults around them were damaged individuals themselves who did not have the emotional tools or skill to protect their children. The same therapy holds for children as well - forgive yourself and forgive those who harmed you. Until you do that they will always have their hooks on you. True realization, awareness and faith that the power to heal is within you, comes eventually.
Blaming on the other hand has no limit, it is an addiction that feels good, and only helps the feeling of victimhood to dig in deeper. It comes out in ugly ways. Always.
Your focus on healing the victim is admirable but completely ignores the causative agents and circumstances which are equally in need of healing. That is what Phet alludes to about holding people responsible. Odd that you do not seem to apply the same logic to the issues of feminine sexual harassment.
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Old 11-18-2021, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Your focus on healing the victim is admirable but completely ignores the causative agents and circumstances which are equally in need of healing. That is what Phet alludes to about holding people responsible. Odd that you do not seem to apply the same logic to the issues of feminine sexual harassment.
Thank you, Mystic.

It's been my experience that OFTEN, if you don't hold people responsible, they just keep doing whatever they were doing.
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Old 11-18-2021, 03:37 PM
 
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Your focus on healing the victim is admirable but completely ignores the causative agents and circumstances which are equally in need of healing. That is what Phet alludes to about holding people responsible. Odd that you do not seem to apply the same logic to the issues of feminine sexual harassment.
How do you propose the causative agents and circumstances should be healed? Especially when some of those agents have long passed on? Give me an example.
As for the issues of sexual harassment in connection with childhood trauma, you have completely lost me. What logic are you talking about?
Sexual harassment is a workplace issue. It is only one of the ways workplace harassment happens and can be prosecuted. Please make the connection with Phet’s victimhood.
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Old 11-18-2021, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How do you propose the causative agents and circumstances should be healed? Especially when some of those agents have long passed on? Give me an example.
As for the issues of sexual harassment in connection with childhood trauma, you have completely lost me. What logic are you talking about?
Sexual harassment is a workplace issue. It is only one of the ways workplace harassment happens and can be prosecuted. Please make the connection with Phet’s victimhood.
There is no victimhood. That's just another of YOUR insults.
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Old 11-18-2021, 08:05 PM
 
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Thank you, Mystic.
It's been my experience that OFTEN, if you don't hold people responsible, they just keep doing whatever they were doing.
Even when society at large holds them responsible, there can still be pockets of humans who will still try to repeat the evils, e.g., Neo-Nazis.
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