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Old 11-12-2021, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Many people have problem with to, too, and two. no big deal.
1. I don't usually.
2. Then why mention it?
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Old 11-12-2021, 04:56 PM
 
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What is your evidence for your statements?

"More Likely" are weasely words that mean zip, zero and only pretends to mean something.
My statement is pure speculation in reply to your statement of pure speculation. It has as much independent evidence as your preceding statement.

You aversion to "more likely" indicates exactly one of the problems with theists - their discomfort with uncertainty.
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Old 11-12-2021, 05:04 PM
 
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My statement is pure speculation in reply to your statement of pure speculation. It has as much independent evidence as your preceding statement.

You aversion to "more likely" indicates exactly one of the problems with theists - their discomfort with uncertainty.
sentences which begin "the problem with atheists" and "the problem with theists"
are problematic from the get go.

they come from the same mindset, and raise the same red flags for the very same reasons,
as sentences which begin, "the problem with black people" "the problem with homosexuals"

just so you know, that is how the bold above sounds and comes across.
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Old 11-12-2021, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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sentences which begin "the problem with atheists" and "the problem with theists"
are problematic from the get go.

they come from the same mindset, and raise the same red flags for the very same reasons,
as sentences which begin, "the problem with black people" "the problem with homosexuals"

just so you know, that is how the bold above sounds and comes across.
Did you used to be a nun in a Catholic school?
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Old 11-12-2021, 05:18 PM
 
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1. I don't usually.
2. Then why mention it?
why not?
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Old 11-12-2021, 05:19 PM
 
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sentences which begin "the problem with atheists" and "the problem with theists"
are problematic from the get go.

they come from the same mindset, and raise the same red flags for the very same reasons,
as sentences which begin, "the problem with black people" "the problem with homosexuals"

just so you know, that is how the bold above sounds and comes across.
That is how it sounds to you.

Anyway, I'm happy to change it to "problem with theists understanding of the world." Some theists have repeatedly demonstrated that they like to make statements with certainty - "the oneness exists", "the sacred is real," etc.

If only they had the humility to include uncertainty, I would have more respect for them. Saying things like "The oneness possibly exists," "there is a likelihood the sacred exists based on my perceptions," etc.

One of the things I consider methodologically faulty on the part of some theists, is they believe in a confidence that is unfounded.
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Old 11-12-2021, 05:27 PM
 
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That is how it sounds to you.

Anyway, I'm happy to change it to "problem with theists understanding of the world." Some theists have repeatedly demonstrated that they like to make statements with certainty - "the oneness exists", "the sacred is real," etc.

If only they had the humility to include uncertainty, I would have more respect for them. Saying things like "The oneness possibly exists," "there is a likelihood the sacred exists based on my perceptions," etc.

One of the things I consider methodologically faulty on the part of some theists, is they believe in a confidence that is unfounded.
my observation is that it bothers you that people have different beliefs than you do.
whereas those who are fine with freedom of religion, recognize that everyone has a seat at the table regarding any and all paths of religion and spirituality.

if people have certainty (which also seems to bother you) it is often because that is their experience. i have certainty that in my life prayer makes a difference. you have certainty that in your life meditation makes a difference. that is not a mental construct or a point to be argued. it is a knowing because you have experienced it.

does everyone experience it? no. but that has no effect on a person's own certainty because in their own life they have certainty because they experience it. it's not about proving or convincing anyone of anything. it is about verifying and validating each person for themself the tenets.

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Old 11-12-2021, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Religious faith transcends any earthly mental support. If it ever comes close, it will never supplant it as best, IMHO.
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Old 11-12-2021, 05:32 PM
 
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my observation is that it bothers you that people have different beliefs than you do.
whereas those who are fine with freedom of religion, recognize that everyone has a seat at the table regarding any and all paths of religion and spirituality.
And my observation is it bothers you that people have different beliefs that you do. You have made multiple posts indicating you look down on those who are not spiritual, how they are ignorant, how spiritual people are more advanced, etc.

Not to mention you are on the atheist forum arguing against atheists. Did you not rant a while back about atheist's asking for evidence in the religion forum? And yet here you are on the atheist forum.

It really is hilarious how hypocrisy drips from every pore of yours.
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Old 11-12-2021, 05:43 PM
 
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And my observation is it bothers you that people have different beliefs that you do. You have made multiple posts indicating you look down on those who are not spiritual, how they are ignorant, how spiritual people are more advanced, etc.
Not to mention you are on the atheist forum arguing against atheists. Did you not rant a while back about atheist's asking for evidence in the religion forum? And yet here you are on the atheist forum.

It really is hilarious how hypocrisy drips from every pore of yours.
i am participating in a discussion on a public forum.
and i have no problem with the wide range of beliefs in the full spectrum of paths of religion and spirituality.
all are welcome and everyone has a seat at the table that is freedom of religion.

enlightenment is available to all, it is not proprietary.
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