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Old 07-31-2022, 09:16 AM
 
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For example there is a NY minister who had $1 million with of jewelry stolen from him at his church in front of his congregation. And its come to light this happened below. Where someone loaned money to the minister trusting them due to his standing at his church. I think someone that uses their religious position or their strong believes as a tool to cheat someone should have their penalty doubled. Like a hate crime but call it a god crime.

Brooklyn Pastor Robbed During Sermon Stole Parishioner’s Savings, Lawsuit Alleges

Court papers claim $90,000 disappeared after Lamor Whitehead promised to help buy real estate, while he ran a failed campaign for Brooklyn borough president last year.

Anderson wrote Whitehead a $90,000 cashier’s check in November 2020 and relied on him to give her $100 monthly allowances to pay for her living expenses, according to the lawsuit.

After months went by in early 2021 without the monthly payments or progress on the home purchase, Whitehead allegedly told Anderson that he was treating her investment as a donation to his then-campaign for Brooklyn borough president.
He said he had no obligation to pay it back.
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Old 07-31-2022, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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We should all be equal under the law.
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Old 07-31-2022, 10:00 AM
 
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Theft is theft.

Murder is murder.

Hate is hate.

Regardless who it comes from.

I think attributing extra or different intentions to different individuals is a slippery slope.
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Old 07-31-2022, 10:06 AM
 
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We should all be equal under the law.
Yes however not all crimes are equal. Those in position of trust over those who are less able to protect themselves commit a graver crime be it a pastor, banker, counsellor or other. The victims have a greater need to be protected than the average citizen. Not sure the religious leaders in the OP should have this concept applied to them or not.
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Old 07-31-2022, 10:43 AM
 
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Yes however not all crimes are equal. Those in position of trust over those who are less able to protect themselves commit a graver crime be it a pastor, banker, counsellor or other. The victims have a greater need to be protected than the average citizen. Not sure the religious leaders in the OP should have this concept applied to them or not.
I see what you're saying, but you haven't convinced me.
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Old 07-31-2022, 10:45 AM
 
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Theft is theft.

Murder is murder.

Hate is hate.

Regardless who it comes from.

I think attributing extra or different intentions to different individuals is a slippery slope.
Is it necessarily? Even the Bible says "to whom much is given, much is expected". We can and should hold authority figures and influencers (not just religious leaders, but political leaders, heads of non-profits, and, yes, captains of industry) to higher standards. While e.g. child sexual abuse is child sexual abuse, I think it would be entirely fair to throw the book at someone who does it after railing against it publicly, particularly when they use the power of their office to abuse those under their office.
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Old 07-31-2022, 11:14 AM
 
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Is it necessarily? Even the Bible says "to whom much is given, much is expected". We can and should hold authority figures and influencers (not just religious leaders, but political leaders, heads of non-profits, and, yes, captains of industry) to higher standards. While e.g. child sexual abuse is child sexual abuse, I think it would be entirely fair to throw the book at someone who does it after railing against it publicly, particularly when they use the power of their office to abuse those under their office.
But as someone else mentioned, it gets to be a slippery slope. Maybe christians should be sentenced to harsher penalties than atheists? Well, okay on that one.
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Old 07-31-2022, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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For example there is a NY minister who had $1 million with of jewelry stolen from him at his church in front of his congregation. And its come to light this happened below. Where someone loaned money to the minister trusting them due to his standing at his church. I think someone that uses their religious position or their strong believes as a tool to cheat someone should have their penalty doubled. Like a hate crime but call it a god crime.

Brooklyn Pastor Robbed During Sermon Stole Parishioner’s Savings, Lawsuit Alleges

Court papers claim $90,000 disappeared after Lamor Whitehead promised to help buy real estate, while he ran a failed campaign for Brooklyn borough president last year.

Anderson wrote Whitehead a $90,000 cashier’s check in November 2020 and relied on him to give her $100 monthly allowances to pay for her living expenses, according to the lawsuit.

After months went by in early 2021 without the monthly payments or progress on the home purchase, Whitehead allegedly told Anderson that he was treating her investment as a donation to his then-campaign for Brooklyn borough president.
He said he had no obligation to pay it back.
That's really dirty. I believe that Karma will come back around, it usually does. It may take years, but it will happen. I've seen instant Karma too. It was fantastic to witness. It's best to not seek revenge yourself and be patient.

As far as harsher punishment, I don't think being religious requires any more punishment than a non-religious person. It has nothing to do with personal beliefs, crime is crime no matter who commits it. But it's very sweet to witness Karma for yourself, especially if you have been personally affected in a criminal way by someone.
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Old 07-31-2022, 12:09 PM
 
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But as someone else mentioned, it gets to be a slippery slope. Maybe christians should be sentenced to harsher penalties than atheists? Well, okay on that one.

Perhaps yes. Someone like this minister who uses religion and his position in it to borrow money from someone yes. You don't hear much about someone trusting another person because of their lack of belief in god.
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Old 07-31-2022, 12:14 PM
 
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That's really dirty. I believe that Karma will come back around, it usually does. It may take years, but it will happen. I've seen instant Karma too. It was fantastic to witness. It's best to not seek revenge yourself and be patient.

As far as harsher punishment, I don't think being religious requires any more punishment than a non-religious person. It has nothing to do with personal beliefs, crime is crime no matter who commits it. But it's very sweet to witness Karma for yourself, especially if you have been personally affected in a criminal way by someone.
I am not big on karma myself. I know too many who slipped through the cracks their entire lives. If karma works so well why do we need any laws or police or anything like that? It will all come out in the wash as they say. And karma is part of a religion. Not sure how its appropriate here.

But if someone convinces another to give them money solely due to their connection to their religion. Especially as an authority figure. Its a crime that would not have happened at all without religion being part of the transaction.
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