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My confusion comes from your implication that there is a non-agnostic Christian who knows that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I belive that is not knowable to anyone living.
Since there can't possibly be a Christian alive who can know that Christ is the Son of God, the term "Agnostic Christian" becomes meaningless. None of us can possibly "know".
That is why I call it an oxymoron.
The contradiction would be, there would have to be Christians who have first hand personal, spiritual, or scientific knowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, probably to the point of being able to positively demonstrate to others that Christ is the Son of God. Which is impossible.
No Christians can know Christ was the Son of God. We can only believe it. That would make us ALL "Agnostic Christians" by your definition. How is that of any use in discussion? Agnostic Christian as opposed to... what? There couldn't be any other kind.
Am I making myself clear?
I see what you are saying, but I reject your premises that "knowing is impossible" and "it is impossible to demonstrate to others that Christ is the Son of God."
No Christians can know Christ was the Son of God. We can only believe it. That would make us ALL "Agnostic Christians" by your definition. How is that of any use in discussion? Agnostic Christian as opposed to... what? There couldn't be any other kind.
Ah, I see. Well, (a)gnosticism is a knowledge claim. It is a position. I didn't say gnostic Christians are a defensible position. But it's certainly a claim: "I know Jesus personally and he's the son of god".
I see what you are saying, but I reject your premises that "knowing is impossible" and "it is impossible to demonstrate to others that Christ is the Son of God."
You know and can demonstrate to a diehard Athiest that Christ is incontrovertibly the Son of God?
Wow. More power to you. Feel free to start a thread.
I heard about this thing they are calling 'agnostic Christianity' and I read about it on Wikipedia. It's a bunch of hooey and a serious contradiction in terms. Just another non-label to raise eyebrows and ruffle feathers.
I like them, this is my favorite song by them. Actually, I'm pretty sure they are just straight up atheists, or she is. Fun fact: She played Cindy Lou Who in the movie "The Grinch" from 2000.
It doesn't work like that. A Christian would not say "I don't know if Jesus Christ is the son of God" in the first place
That they do not go around broadcasting it in those explicit terms doesn't mean they have a high level of confidence that a literal Jesus was the literal son of god. It is a question of how seriously you take those claims. My contention is that the average pew-warmer, especially in the mainline denominations, just doesn't think about it very much. It's just the ocean they swim in. God is in heaven, is somehow benevolently intervening on their behalf, but in a sort of abstract or theoretical sense that they don't truly hang their hat on or go out on a limb for. In practical everyday terms they don't live much differently than someone like myself who doesn't believe those things at all.
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