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Old 04-09-2023, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I've always questioned things. Asked myself a lot of "what if" questions. I have 3 fundamental beliefs: 1) we do not know everything. 2) science is not absolute (meaning there ARE things out there science has not provided an explanation or evidence for). and 3) there is a lot of possibility that there are things that exist beyond our own universe.

With that being said, I can understand why many people are atheists. I really do.

But there is just too much "what ifs" out there that prevents me from saying "I think atheism is something to consider pursuing".

A lot of people (3,500 approximately) have had NDEs and have all said they had seen "something" while being declared dead.

Being dead means your heart stops beating and cannot be revived after so many attempts at reviving it and your brain is without oxygen for X amount of minutes.

There are stories of people being without oxygen for several minutes and being revived again.

I haven't seen an articles showing how science was able to explain an NDE. The argument that skeptics use is "that person was under a **** load of drugs and was have a very lucid dream". But I am struggling to see how a person who was without oxygen for several minutes can explain with super precise detail the environment around their hospital bed once they have been revived.


Aside from NDEs, there are also stories of people who saw "spirits" of other people. Lots of people who say they sensed or saw "something" while being inside an old home.


So I'm sitting here thinking....there's a lot of explainable stuff out there that science has yet to explain. Does that prove that God exists? Not really. But it does prove that there *could* be something out there.

What do you all think?
A near-death experience (NDE) is the conscious, semi-conscious or recollected experience of someone who is approaching or has temporarily begun the process of dying.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...th-experiences

Near-death experiences that have been widely reported by patients now have a scientific explanation. This phenomenon is thought to be caused by the abnormal functioning of dopamine and oxygen flow.

https://scitechdaily.com/the-scienti...h-experiences/

By the way I had an NDE on September 12 2022. When I spoke to the paramedics afterwards, I was told my heart rate was over 300 bpm and at that rate it was unable to pump blood. I now have a pacemaker implanted.
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Old 04-09-2023, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Stop derailing the thread with remarks about Panentheism (apparently this isn't even a real word)
It's real: https://www.google.com/search?rls=en...&bih=744&dpr=1

However I agree it's a derail in this thread.
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