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Since it is very relevant to topic, I might step in here, especially as the Arachnid, though wearing his atheist costume, is more anti -atheist than most Christians.
Thus he will make all sorts of immoderate statements about how 'we' atheists want to deal with theists and pretend they represent atheist thinking.
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Again with the misrepresentation.
I am not anti-atheist, I am anti-trans-sect of atheism.
I am against your type of atheist that evaluates reliability of beliefs based on ...
Sortagod cannot be allowed to pass through inattention or being worn down with constant nagging, because it hands theism the logical default for free. Without their having to produce anything but fallacious arguments.
Much as you and I have disagreed on so many things, I agree with you on this. That's why I posed the question in the first place. I don't understand the logic of having to "win" nor do I understand why that "winning" seems to be almost exclusively focused on Christianity.
For example, I can understand the logic of an atheist believing there is no deity of any religion. But I don't understand the atheist focus so specifically on God of the Christian religion. And, if one "wins" what have you "won?" What does the atheist gain by winning? All they've done is take away something from someone else.
Again, no argument from me. If you on a personal level so "no" to another religion, that's your personal choice and your right. So back to the original why is it about winning over the Christian?
There are perhaps 2 kinds of debates - outside the forum, I mean. The one where both sides debate, they are given a round of applause and that's it.
The other is where a survey of how many of each supporters have turned up is taken at first, and after to see how the level of support has changed. That is considered as showing who 'won' the debate and should indicate who made the best case.
That is the significance of the 'win' and it is a legitimate one.
Again, no argument from me. If you on a personal level so "no" to another religion, that's your personal choice and your right. So back to the original why is it about winning over the Christian?
I can only speak for myself. I don't want to win over the christian. I want the christian to mind his own business.
Much as you and I have disagreed on so many things, I agree with you on this. That's why I posed the question in the first place. I don't understand the logic of having to "win" nor do I understand why that "winning" seems to be almost exclusively focused on Christianity.
For example, I can understand the logic of an atheist believing there is no deity of any religion. But I don't understand the atheist focus so specifically on God of the Christian religion.
They do not focus on your god, they focus on the god of the Christians, Jews and Muslims because most of us live in countries dominated by Abrahamic religions. In the US, this is usually the Christian version.
There are perhaps 2 kinds of debates - outside the forum, I mean. The one where both sides debate, they are given a round of applause and that's it.
The other is where a survey of how many of each supporters have turned up is taken at first, and after to see how the level of support has changed. That is considered as showing who 'won' the debate and should indicate who made the best case.
That is the significance of the 'win' and it is a legitimate one.
It matters how we win.
Using phrases like ... If you are not talking a god here (it's alive but not with a planning, intelligent, will) you are off topic. Remember the only reason for atheists to be here is in refuting the claim of a theism or religion or at least a spirituality. We are not here to put forward speculative non -theist alternatives. Take them to the science forum and argue them there. I'm not going to keep on explaining this.
To win the debate that way is shady at best. Its what theist do.
Moderator cut: Quit bringing up politics.
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Reason: Politics. Again.
The males of atheism have already won. Evolution is taught as a fact. The win is enforcing views at every step including in homes. To allow people to live as they like is victimizing for some others.
A post like that should tell anyone who cares whether we believe 'as many true things as possible' (as Dillahunty put it) why it was necessary to do this. Does America really want a society of Flat earthists where there is NO 'teaching of the controversy' about that?
I said elsewhere the other day that the religious debate was already won. The evolution debate has been won. The problem is getting the result out to a people who 45% don't want to hear it.
The males of atheism have already won. Evolution is taught as a fact. The win is enforcing views at every step including in homes. To allow people to live as they like is victimizing for some others.
Its not taught as fact. Its taught more as "this is how it looks like man was formed". God believers need to adjust their phrases. "God created man through evolution" and there would be no problem.
I think it would be even better for them to state "It looks like god created man through evolution"
The big difference is that we say "Please, go prove us wrong, how cool would that be."
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