McCain & Character: Getting Inside the Head of the Religious Right (choice, Israel)
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Fought the enemies of this republic? Which enemies? Oh, the made up ones in Iraq.
But my question remains unanswered: To those who voted Republican for morality reasons -- especially Christian conservatives -- what have the Republicans done for you? Of your wish-list of issues in the great culture war, which have become reality in the past eight years?
Bill Clinton talked about possible war with Iraq and it's weapons of mass destruction while he was still in office.
9/11 happened just a few months after Clinton left office.
Here's what President Clinton said, as well as Madeleine Albright, his Secretary of State... and what Joe Biden, John Edwards, Nancy Pelosi and a host of others had to say about Iraq prior to going in. Out of their own mouths.
Bill Clinton talked about possible war with Iraq and it's weapons of mass destruction while he was still in office.
9/11 happened just a few months after Clinton left office.
Here's what President Clinton said, as well as Madeleine Albright, his Secretary of State... and what Joe Biden, John Edwards, Nancy Pelosi and a host of others had to say about Iraq prior to going in. Out of their own mouths.
Now, these same Democrats are all lock step pointing fingers at GWB saying it's his fault -- for political gain -- regardless of what the truth is.
Talk about a lack of character....
This comment is filled with so many inaccuracies that it would take a history lesson to correct them all ... but it is completely off topic for both the thread and forum, so I'll leave at that.
This comment is filled with so many inaccuracies that it would take a history lesson to correct them all ... but it is completely off topic for both the thread and forum, so I'll leave at that.
Actually, it is not inaccurate.... Please take a moment to watch the video link -- It's simply a collection of democrats and what they've had to say about Iraq... starting with President Clinton while he was still in office.
And, the thread was about McCain's character compared to Mr. Obama. Character is what I'm talking about.
I would watch the video.. but it isn't there anymore.
The concern in the Clinton years was NOT the actual WMDs. The concern was with Saddams ability to produce WMDs and whether he had produced WMDs. It was about weapons inspectors. It was about intelligence.
GWB laid an egg when he produced trumped up evidence of actual WMDs in an effort to go to war. As a result GWB has the blood of about 4,000 U.S. servicemen about probably 500,000 Iraqi civilians on his hands.
Good job W.. You will forever be remembered as our special needs president.
I would watch the video.. but it isn't there anymore.
The concern in the Clinton years was NOT the actual WMDs. The concern was with Saddams ability to produce WMDs and whether he had produced WMDs. It was about weapons inspectors. It was about intelligence.
GWB laid an egg when he produced trumped up evidence of actual WMDs in an effort to go to war. As a result GWB has the blood of about 4,000 U.S. servicemen about probably 500,000 Iraqi civilians on his hands.
Good job W.. You will forever be remembered as our special needs president.
Yeh... he was a lone cowboy, no one else went along with the intelligence of the day. Amazing power W has.
Almost super human, maybe he used the mind meld on the entire house and senate... as well as the United Nations, and all the other countries that have soldiers on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan....
Or maybe a Lone wolf ... watch out,,, he's gonna getcha...
Yeh... he was a lone cowboy, no one else went along with the intelligence of the day. Amazing power W has.
Almost super human, maybe he used the mind meld on the entire house and senate... as well as the United Nations, and all the other countries that have soldiers on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan....
Or maybe a Lone wolf ... whatch out,,, he's gonna getcha...
godspeed,
freedom
Of course others went with the trumped up evidence that our "special needs" president handed them. Who would think that a president would just outright... lie.
Of course others went with the trumped up evidence that our "special needs" president handed them. Who would think that a president would just outright... lie.
I hope it feels good to joke around.
4,000 U.S. Soldiers dead
0 WMD found
Got any other jokes?
yeh cuz president Bush actually collected the evidence himself, he secretly went over to Iraq with his secret service team and gathered the evidence that he could use to falsify WMD's so young men would die for his little game.
Soldiering is a dangerous profession, people get killed and injured during peace time as well, and its all volunteer, no one put a gun to their head, and they died with honor and knowing that they were serving a greater cause than themselves, i know that Iraq and Afghanistan are forever grateful.
You want a chilling statistic... in the years of the Iraq and Afghan war... more people have died in college from Alcohol than both wars put together. Now thats senseless.
Is W responsible for that to, because he signs college loan and scholarship bills as well.
FOXNews.com - Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html - broken link)
You want a chilling statistic... in the years of the Iraq and Afghan war... more people have died in college from Alcohol than both wars put together. Now thats senseless.
Is W responsible for that to, because he signs college loan and scholarship bills as well.
There is something ironic in the above, Freedom, given the fact that Bush is a recovering alcoholic. --Because in essence, you just provided a parrallel analogy. One which I have the feeling you didn't intend to provide.
Of course others went with the trumped up evidence that our "special needs" president handed them. Who would think that a president would just outright... lie.
I hope it feels good to joke around.
4,000 U.S. Soldiers dead
0 WMD found
Got any other jokes?
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Originally Posted by bigthirsty
I would watch the video.. but it isn't there anymore.
The concern in the Clinton years was NOT the actual WMDs. The concern was with Saddams ability to produce WMDs and whether he had produced WMDs. It was about weapons inspectors. It was about intelligence.
GWB laid an egg when he produced trumped up evidence of actual WMDs in an effort to go to war. As a result GWB has the blood of about 4,000 U.S. servicemen about probably 500,000 Iraqi civilians on his hands.
Good job W.. You will forever be remembered as our special needs president.
Surely you jest.
Surely.
It is absolutely amazing to me what a vast number of American people have purchased from the left and Michael Moore's garbage.
Tell ya what, let's do a little WMD-detective work on our own, shall we?
One must be either blind, ignorant or naive to think Iraq would use these things and then just decide to get out of WMD business. It's amazingly obvious that no, we didn't go in there and plant WMD evidence and you know if this conspiracy theory on this war had any shred of truth in it we WOULD have concocted evidence to support the WMD-theory. But it's not and we didn't.
GW has made some huge mistakes, but this WMD thing is just ridiculous.
Iraq had them
Iraq used them.
Iraq either destroyed or moved them.
To think otherwise is proof of a successful indoctrination.
To quote General Robert E Lee:
Quote:
[W]e made a great mistake in the beginning of our struggle, and I fear, in spite of all we can do, it will prove to be a fatal mistake. We appointed all our worst generals to command our armies, and all our best generals to edit the newspapers
I personally am not convinced the WMD issue was enough to go to war on, but the Congress did and so to war we went. Whether we found any unused WMDs or not is irrelevant. The country we waged war against on that premise had used them before so the reasons are valid.
Do you think if the USA had found some stockpile of unused WMDs in Iraq that the general population would feel any different about this war today?
I don't.
And you're right, 4000 dead Americans is no laughing matter and nothing to joke about or take lightly. I'm sure when those soldiers signed up for military duty they realized the same. It takes a special person to enlist in the armed services and agree to follow the commands of their superiors and I honor and commend both the dead and the living.
Since this is going so far off the topic, I'll jump in too.
No one either side ever denied that Saddam once had WMDs and was trying to build more. Or that he used them on the Kurds. These are indeed facts.
But what Alpha and Freedom are conveniently blurring and eliminating is that all the work that was done after the Kuwait war to constrain Saddam worked. He did stop the program and destroyed what he had. At the time of the 2nd IRAQ war, Saddam was very weak and had no WMDs. We had a CIA guy resign publicly in protest over the lies the administration told in beating the war drums. We had several others who leaked this info to the press who barely reported it. They illegally outed a CIA operative to punish and divert attention from Joe Wilson's report. They simply denied the veracity of the weapon's inspectors.
History is a funny thing. It cuts both ways.
No, this war was voluntary and unjustified. The administration stampeded the congress to go along (which does not excuse them). The death of 4000 of our soldiers and many thousands of Iraqis IS on Bush and company's hands. Not to mention the many more thousands of maimed that come back in pieces.
I was amazed that Bush and co. didn't order the military to plant the weapons. Now, who in the world has a huge arsenal of WMDs? Why that would US.
Last edited by Tesaje; 10-04-2008 at 08:30 AM..
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