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Old 01-18-2009, 12:26 AM
 
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Since I'm a Christian, our hope was empty and we go back to nothingness. At least we won't go to hell for rejecting Jesus. But if by chance the athiets are actually wrong, then that's a HELLuva chance to take as well.

 
Old 01-18-2009, 02:08 AM
 
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This is one tired, worn out line of thought. Only you 'choose' to believe in things that are not there, apparently to avoid a hellish afterlife. I have no choice but to rationally look at the world around me and take it on face value. Sure, some sort of Heaven sounds great. Wish it were true. But wishing doesn't make it so.
 
Old 01-18-2009, 03:24 AM
 
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Oh god, not Pascal's Wager again. This argument is not new, not original, and has been refuted dozens of times. Besides, did you read this rule?

What if you die and face a God who rewards critical thinking and punishes blind faith?
 
Old 01-18-2009, 03:43 AM
 
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You could ask "what if?" till the end of time. There are thousands of religions and worldviews out there so, if God does actually exist in some form, the chances that you've picked the right one are minute anyway. That is, if God does exist at all. Everyone is essentially in the same boat, no matter what they believe, and this is why, realistically, everyone is agnostic at heart. You can be certain of something and still be wrong.
 
Old 01-18-2009, 04:04 AM
 
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Default What If the Atheists are right?

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Since I'm a Christian, our hope was empty and we go back to nothingness. At least we won't go to hell for rejecting Jesus. But if by chance the athiets are actually wrong, then that's a HELLuva chance to take as well.
We are. Now think of all the great things you can go and do with all that mental energy.

Nothing personal antredd, but I've more than made my peace with myself, and I'm happy to take my chances. Just as I'm sure you are.
 
Old 01-18-2009, 04:31 AM
 
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Since I'm a Christian, our hope was empty and we go back to nothingness. At least we won't go to hell for rejecting Jesus. But if by chance the athiets are actually wrong, then that's a HELLuva chance to take as well.
So you love God because you fear hell. That love could very well be in vain because you should never love someone in order to avoid something horrible. That is like loving a person because if you don't he will kill you. Of course, sometimes victims do fall in love with their kidnappers out of fear somehow. And so now this God you love is holding you captive.
 
Old 01-18-2009, 07:11 AM
 
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Since I'm a Christian, our hope was empty and we go back to nothingness. At least we won't go to hell for rejecting Jesus. But if by chance the athiets are actually wrong, then that's a HELLuva chance to take as well.
I find it interesting that people will draw this assumption that there is either their specific God or there is no God at all. What if you're wrong about any other of the multitudes of Gods people have worshipped throughout history? Allah? Zeus? Thor? Odin? Ra? What happens if we're wrong about those Gods?
 
Old 01-18-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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Then, Troop, the Christians will not get their 72 virgins
 
Old 01-18-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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A fallacy of logic based on preconceived ( and most likely false) assumptions. Unproven and unprovable, a waste of time.
Well, is your assumption based on personal opinion? Or can you show us that the Biblical prophecies are false? Easy to say a waste of time, yet do you have any evidence to refute the prophecies of the Bible? Because unless you do, I would say it is your statement that is really a waste of time.
 
Old 01-18-2009, 09:54 AM
 
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Well, is your assumption based on personal opinion? Or can you show us that the Biblical prophecies are false? Easy to say a waste of time, yet do you have any evidence to refute the prophecies of the Bible? Because unless you do, I would say it is your statement that is really a waste of time.
How about these, just for a start. Prepare your spin to convince yourself of the error being true.

Jeremiah 3-17: All nations will embrace Judaism

Jeremiah 5-31: The prophets prophesy falsely

I generally don't waste my time with your biblical nonsense, but since you insist on evidence from your own source...
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