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Old 05-16-2009, 09:56 PM
 
Location: California
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I'm with ya' Kid EH. Just like we weren't eager with anticipation to get life, we won't be missing life after it is over. The experience post "working brain" will be the same as the experience pre- "working brain."
Exactly. That's why people shouldn't stress out about the possibility of a death with no afterlife. We will never regret being dead if that's the case, so people shouldn't let the thought of it ruin their enjoyment of actual life.


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I've never feared death. I only fear dying.

For some, the process of dying is quick and relatively painless. For many, the process of death is slow and agonizing. That's what I fear. I don't like pain.
Yeah, atheists should avoid getting shot; not because they might die, but because it would be extremely uncomfortable.
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Because the cells in the brain, like the rest of your cells, need oxygen to work properly.
So, all we have to do is make the lungs transfer oxygen to the blood, and the heart pump, then apply the shock...and voila! we have life. Right?
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Old 05-17-2009, 02:01 AM
 
Location: OKC
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So, all we have to do is make the lungs transfer oxygen to the blood, and the heart pump, then apply the shock...and voila! we have life. Right?

There are numerous different things that can cause the brain to stop working properly. Once the brain is dead, even part of the brain, it's hard to make it start working properly again.

Once cells are dead, they have trouble coming back to life. For example, the longer a drowning victim stays underwater, the greater brain damage they suffer.

Why, I ask you, is that so? Under your soul theory, damage to the brain shouldn't effect the person, assuming they were able to be brought back to life. Yet, there's no little soul that helps the victim here. There is a direct relationship between the amount of brain damage they receive and the amount of damage to their mind.

Similarly, if the part of your brain that controls memory is damaged, you simply wont have memories. If its the part that stores new memories, you wont make new memories. If its the part that hold old memories, you won't have old memories. All of this is the brain, non of it is a soul. Hurt the brain, hurt the mind.

Their is no little soul that helps in those situations. The brain does it all. Damage to the brain, area by area, is directly related to the functioning of the mind.

Your entire ability to reason is dependent on having a functioning brain. If that part of your brain is damaged, even if you are still alive, you won't be able to reason. Where is your soul then? Why does it only kick in once you are dead, but not when you are alive?
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Old 05-17-2009, 02:50 AM
 
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chiming in, as usual..

has "soul" (therefore) become obsolete? it might be relevant for people still wanting to use the word, especially since it still seems to express more than a technicality and/or function!
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:01 AM
 
Location: OKC
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chiming in, as usual..

has "soul" (therefore) become obsolete? it might be relevant for people still wanting to use the word, especially since it still seems to express more than a technicality and/or function!

I believe it is obsolete.

The soul was really just the brain all along. Until a few decades ago, we didn't know that. But now we do. Still, many people don't want to accept that because the brain has a finite lifespan and they would prefer to believe our sapient self will live forever.
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:04 AM
 
Location: California
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Well, I don't even want to try to prove that the soul doesn't exist. I'm an agnostic, and I don't think those kinds of things can be proven or disproven.

For instance, perhaps the brain is merely a vehicle for the physical expression of the soul's intentions? That's what reverend was trying to say in an earlier post. If that's the case, then damaging the brain would damage the living body's ability to think and to act; but the soul would still be intact.
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:17 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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It's absolutely impossible to live on this earth without a soul. The soul is real and that is the real you. The brain has nothing to do with it. The mind is a function of the soul just like brain cells are a function of the material body. If you are here now, you have a soul.

Here's an experiment for you guys. When you all die, look me up and tell me you have no mind and no soul. That's gonna be interesting!!
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:21 AM
 
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I believe it is obsolete.

The soul was really just the brain all along. Until a few decades ago, we didn't know that. But now we do. Still, many people don't want to accept that because the brain has a finite lifespan and they would prefer to believe our sapient self will live forever.
i'm very much on the same page with you, but would rather leave it with a zeitgeist comment: words coined in earlier times had a much friendlier ring to them.

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Old 05-17-2009, 04:00 AM
 
Location: California
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Here's an experiment for you guys. When you all die, look me up and tell me you have no mind and no soul. That's gonna be interesting!!
No thanks.
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Old 05-17-2009, 04:06 AM
 
Location: OKC
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Well, I don't even want to try to prove that the soul doesn't exist. I'm an agnostic, and I don't think those kinds of things can be proven or disproven.

For instance, perhaps the brain is merely a vehicle for the physical expression of the soul's intentions? That's what reverend was trying to say in an earlier post. If that's the case, then damaging the brain would damage the living body's ability to think and to act; but the soul would still be intact.

Can the soul think and act without the brain? If not, what good is it?
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