12-29-2010, 08:04 PM
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Tell that to the guy serving life in California for getting caught stealing a $1.00 Hershey's candy bar 3 times in a row. What about the guy serving 2 years at the state pen for toking up a blunt?
I'm all for harsh sentences for crimes against people, and I won't lose sleep if a murderer gets the needle, but man...why is there such a belligerence about lowering the boom on people for doing petty non-violent stuff? Why should I be outraged when some dude is getting high off the Mary Jane?
You missed the point on that part. Again...
MAN!!! There you go with the hyperbole stuff again. I never said anything about banning guns. Why do you NRA gun nuts go ape-crap whenever someone talks regulation of guns?
This is what jams me up about people with your thought process on the gun issue. You folks rant & moan about criminals funning wild and how cops should just shoot on sight and how there should be public excutions, but lordy lord, don't let someone put a little restriction on gun ownership, because according to you guys, "big government" is taking over!
Do you realize how nonsensical that is? You want a police state on one hand because of criminals running wild, but then on the other you want weapons to just be sold willy-nilly on the street without regards to whether or not they end up in the wrong hands.
You ever thought that Trooper LeCroy could be alive right now & spending time with his family if someone hadn't straw-purchased the gun that ended up in the hands of the murderer Gregory Favors?
Furthermore, After-the-fact policing is so friggin' stupid and counter-productive. So we should just wait for some thug to get his hands on a handgun illegally, kill someone, and then do high-fives when the justice system gives them the needle...all the while another criminal thug steps up to do the same thing?
Why not simply prevent guns from ending up in the hands of murderers in the first place? Jesus freakin' Christ, this illogic is numbing my brain. ..
Because criminals will always find a way to get guns. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW. Let me repeat : CRIMINALS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW. If you make it illegal to have guns the law abiding citizens will be the ones unarmed not the criminals.
12-29-2010, 08:10 PM
Location: Atlanta
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I AM
NOT DEMANDING THAT HANDGUNS BE MADE ILLEGAL! I AM
NOT DEMANDING THAT HANDGUNS BE MADE ILLEGAL!
I will repeat this again: I AM
NOT DEMANDING THAT HANDGUNS BE MADE ILLEGAL!
When have I said that? WHEN? WHEN?
WHEN !?!
I am asking for better regulation. Is it that hard? Is it really that hard? Why does there have to be an either/or on this issue?
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ATLSuperfriend
Because criminals will always find a way to get guns. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW. Let me repeat : CRIMINALS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE LAW. If you make it illegal to have guns the law abiding citizens will be the ones unarmed not the criminals.
12-29-2010, 08:13 PM
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I AM NOT DEMANDING THAT HANDGUNS BE MADE ILLEGAL! I AM NOT DEMANDING THAT HANDGUNS BE MADE ILLEGAL! NOT DEMANDING THAT HANDGUNS BE MADE ILLEGAL! WHEN !?!
Regulate all you damn well want. Do you think it matters to a criminal?
12-29-2010, 08:24 PM
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Well the death penalty damn sure ain't scaring these thugs, because they are still shooting and killing. So the question is what to do about it?
I'm not sure about you, but personally I believe in comprehensive & holistic solutions, not the futile continuation of this ideological hand-wringing.
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ATLSuperfriend
Regulate all you damn well want. Do you think it matters to a criminal?
12-29-2010, 08:29 PM
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Well the death penalty damn sure ain't scaring these thugs, because they are still shooting and killing. So the question is what to do about it?
Like what? You want put them in a mental institute? If enough people shoot em up they will die or turn straight. People are tired of living in fear.
12-29-2010, 08:50 PM
Location: Atlanta
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Like I said before, I believe in a comprehensive solution. Everything should be put on the table, as far as ideas to stop or at the very least reduce precipitously the senseless killing.
But it's stupid in my opinion to allow fear and emotion to drive public policy. It has never worked that way, at least not in a way that guarantees the survival of a country and the sanity of a society.
Also, even if every citizen owns a handgun, every thug interested in committing crime will own one too. Will the average law-abiding citizen be able to be on guard everytime? Doesn't seem like a great way to live, I would think. Who would want to have to walk out the house everyday always having to be armed to the teeth?
The siege mentality I think is very unhealthy. I would rather reduce the chances for a thug to own a handgun to kill me, than for me to have to feel like I have to be on "kill-mode" each and everyday.
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ATLSuperfriend
Like what? You want put them in a mental institute? If enough people shoot em up they will die or turn straight. People are tired of living in fear.
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12-29-2010, 09:25 PM
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AcidSnake,
It would be a lot easier to talk about holistic long-term solutions if the people carrying out these attacks would stop, at least for a while. But when hard working, decent citizens perceive themselves under senseless attacks by thugs, they're going to get mad and they're going to fight back. Protect yourself first, and then maybe we can talk about root causes and social conditions.
That's just the way it works.
12-29-2010, 09:49 PM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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PKCorey
Thats all over the country and even in your native, W.I. country so give it a rest, man...
I've seen a few people here, even in suburban Atlanta, demonstrate an attitude towards criminals that I've never really seen before. Not in the suburbs of the city I came from, and not in the small towns in that same state.
It isn't all over the country. There are attitudes here that seem tied to certain generally urban cultures.
Besides, claiming such attitudes are ubiquitous doesn't make them right, or acceptable to the mainstream.
12-29-2010, 09:51 PM
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This country has been arming itself for a long time and the seige mentality is just as patently apparent now as it was 234 years ago be it manifest destiny or the Cold War.
You can arm every citizen in the short term, but it will not stop the long term problems. There has to be a clear will & resolve to deal with the problems and create a long term solution even as the people are currently going through those problems.
And figuring those solutions out has to involve ALL levels of society, something that is apparently anathema to "states righters", conservatives, & others who feel kinship with the isolated outlook.
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arjay57
AcidSnake,Protect yourself first, and then maybe we can talk about root causes and social conditions. That's just the way it works .
12-29-2010, 09:51 PM
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Spell out the penalties for certain crimes.
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People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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