Group seeks to boost HOPE revenue through video lottery terminals

[AcidSnake]

Great post.

But couldn't it be argued that colleges are simply raising the tuition in reponse to people desperately trying to get into college? Any company that experiences an extreme rise in its customer base would very likely increase the price of its goods and/or services.

Some folks call that phenomena a simple factor of the U.S.A.'s freemarket-oriented system. What makes you think that our college system should be immune to this factor of American life?

Originally Posted by RandyWatson13

You might want to look at these charts. The colleges are increasing tuition exponentially b/c between loans, grants etc people just sign on the dotted line without realizing how much debt they are getting.

http://www.thedigeratilife.com/image...n_analysis.gif

http://images.valorebooks.com/images...ices-graph.png



http://www.edweek.org/media/2006/12/12/17postsec-c3.jpg

I here what you are saying but its not like HOPE let everyone into college, you had to have a B and meet other requirements (you still have to get accepted into college). Its not like HOPE didn't pay for itself. It is still paid for and it still is in the black due to lottery revenues, unlike government grants or loans.

You are right, college isn't for everyone and there are a lot of people getting degrees in areas that might not be of high income but look what happened when everyone decided to be a laywer and accountant and work for Wall St. We need teachers, we need people educated, period.

An educated workforce helps GA and can help get it out of its rut. An uneducated workforce means low level paying jobs which means low tax revenues and possibly more entitlement programs.

[RandyWatson13]

Originally Posted by AcidSnake

Great post.

But couldn't it be argued that colleges are simply raising the tuition in reponse to people desperately trying to get into college? Any company that experiences an extreme rise in its customer base would very likely increase the price of its goods and/or services.

Some folks call that phenomena a simple factor of the U.S.A.'s freemarket-oriented system. What makes you think that our college system should be immune to this factor of American life?

Colleges don't seem to follow the free market b/c that is an illusion. As long as there are loans granted by the government for seemingly any amount, they will just raise fees and have their students get in debt.

Here is a thread here with tons of concerned parents alarmed with how tuition has increased.
//www.city-data.com/forum/colle...hing-stop.html

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by RandyWatson13

Colleges don't seem to follow the free market b/c that is an illusion. As long as there are loans granted by the government for seemingly any amount, they will just raise fees and have their students get in debt.

Here is a thread here with tons of concerned parents alarmed with how tuition has increased.
//www.city-data.com/forum/colle...hing-stop.html

But what is the solution?

The costs are rising because the expenses at the colleges are rising. States are contributing less and less per student. This puts more of the financial burden on the individual students. How do you lower the expenses for the university without damaging the university's reputation?

Save money on hiring faculty who will teach for less. ---> Hurts reputation of school. Degree becomes less valuable

Stop investing in new facilities ---> Hurts reputation of school. Degree becomes worth less

Sure the state can provide more funding, but who pays this cost? We are already working with massive budget deficits and can't afford to throw more money at higher education.

I think everyone agrees that college is expensive and the costs have skyrocketed. The problem is not "Ooooh those greedy colleges are like really mean and stuff" like is implied in this thread. What is the solution?

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

What is the solution?

Divert money from the athletic departments towards the educational programs.... Seriously, I know that is unrealistic, but you'd think, that as a society, we'd come to realize that education is probably the singularly most important state function. Far more important than some of the whacky things the state has supported over the years, like "Go Fishing" and a halls of fame. Just my opinion.

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

The lottery is a tax on the stupid.

A voluntary choice cannot be and is not a tax. You make the decision to play or not play, and no one holds a gun to your head.

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by neil0311

A voluntary choice cannot be and is not a tax. You make the decision to play or not play, and no one holds a gun to your head.

Ummm.... that was a tongue-in-cheek comment mocking anyone dumb enough to play the lottery.

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

Divert money from the athletic departments towards the educational programs.... Seriously, I know that is unrealistic, but you'd think, that as a society, we'd come to realize that education is probably the singularly most important state function. Far more important than some of the whacky things the state has supported over the years, like "Go Fishing" and a halls of fame. Just my opinion.

Most public universities do not fund their athletic programs. These are usually run by a seperate athletic association that are self-sufficient based on ticket revenue, TV revenue, and private donations.