09-29-2011, 06:46 AM
Location: Marietta, GA
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It would be nice to see some studies indicating estimated trips on the various proposed corridors. I've looked all over the Regional Roundtable site and can't find them. ARC's Concept 3 page, however, has an old corridor study.
Totally agree with you. I have not seen or heard any hard data on expected ridership or revenue prediction versus operating costs.
No, I wasn't aware that the top-end corridor was axed. I think that speaks to the politics at play. When the guy in charge of the Cumberland CID is leading the roundtable, then I think it's politics.
09-29-2011, 06:47 AM
Location: Marietta, GA
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By that logic I guess we should never have built railroads to the West Coast in the 1860's.
Sorry, but that is a ridiculous and flawed analogy. Comparing two completely different use cases, eras, costs, etc. Also, the railroads were private enterprises funded by private investments.
09-29-2011, 10:39 AM
Location: Home of the Braves
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Sorry, but that is a ridiculous and flawed analogy. Comparing two completely different use cases, eras, costs, etc. Also, the railroads were private enterprises funded by private investments.
Oh yes, private, except for the Pacific Railway Act* which provided federal subsidies for each and every mile of track. Or the millions of acres of land grants and rights-of-way, which were larger than the state of Texas for the Union Pacific and Central Pacific alone. Or the military forces provided by the federal government that offered the railroads some protection from the granted lands' erstwhile inhabitants.
It was all "private enterprise" except for that stuff.
* The act could not pass until the secession of the southern states. Even then, southerners hated trains.
09-29-2011, 02:42 PM
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It's not about that... it's the fact that several of the road projects on the list have other means of funding (the gas tax/GDOT) and some could even be built as toll roads (Sugarloaf Parkway extension, for example). They could take some money off of road projects which can be supplemented with other existing funds... they do not need to be almost 100% funded.
If true, then the sales tax should be lowered instead. We shouldn't nickel and dime the taxpayers. If there is all this existing funds and alternate means to fund transportation projects then TSPLOST should be voted down.
09-29-2011, 02:47 PM
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Oh yes, private, except for the Pacific Railway Act* which provided federal subsidies for each and every mile of track. Or the millions of acres of land grants and rights-of-way, which were larger than the state of Texas for the Union Pacific and Central Pacific alone. Or the military forces provided by the federal government that offered the railroads some protection from the granted lands' erstwhile inhabitants.
Yes, the analogy between that, and Cobb and Gwinnett joining MARTA is becoming clearer.
Dobbins AFB is a modern day Fort Apache.
09-29-2011, 02:59 PM
Location: Home of the Braves
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Yes, the analogy between that, and Cobb and Gwinnett joining MARTA is becoming clearer.
Dobbins AFB is a modern day Fort Apache.
Yeah! Hahahaha. Haha...ha.
JP can correct me if I'm wrong, but the point of the "analogy" (it wasn't one) is that we'd never accomplish anything requiring a long-term commitment if we were always limited to immediate interests. It wasn't, I strongly suspect, to explore the deep historical parallels between 21st century Cobb County's participation in MARTA and the Transcontinental Railroad.
09-29-2011, 03:09 PM
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Yeah! Hahahaha. Haha...ha.
A simple LOL would have been sufficient.
09-29-2011, 03:13 PM
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Oh yes, private, except for the Pacific Railway Act* which provided federal subsidies for each and every mile of track. Or the millions of acres of land grants and rights-of-way, which were larger than the state of Texas for the Union Pacific and Central Pacific alone. Or the military forces provided by the federal government that offered the railroads some protection from the granted lands' erstwhile inhabitants.
Actually that is false.
Southerners where looking to build their own transcontinental railroad, that was the point of the gadson purchase which braught the tuscon, az area into the country. The Cival war delayed these plans thus the line was built out of chicago.
09-29-2011, 03:29 PM
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Actually that is false.
I'm not sure what part you think is false. Surely not my whole post! The bit about southerners hating trains was just a funny. The part about southern politicians blocking the Pacific Railroad Act until they gave the Congress over to Republicans is true, so far as God, Wikipedia and I are aware.
09-29-2011, 03:34 PM
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I'm not sure what part you think is false. Surely not my whole post! The bit about southerners hating trains was just a funny. The part about southern politicians blocking the Pacific Railroad Act until they gave the Congress over to Republicans is true, so far as God, Wikipedia and I are aware .
I was only reffering to the hating trains.
The part and bold is very true. I think, but i could be wrong, that they voted to block it so they could be the first to build a transcontinental railroad and bennifet from it more. It is basically the same regional minded attitude we see today in the debates over the TIA.
It's sad, you would think after 150 years times would have changed.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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