Group Wants Atlanta-Savannah Passenger Rail Line (Columbus, Dallas: commuter, metro, areas)

[arjay57]

Build it and they will come.

[tikigod311]

Atlanta and the southeast region will never be as dense as the northeast. I wish people would get the idea of what works in NYC will work work elsewhere. The density, the geography, the history... no other part of America can match this.

There will NEVER be the demand to support this.
This is such a stupid idea.and I'm a big fan of rail.

[toll_booth]

Economies of scale, folks. Economies of scale. Start the high-speed network in the Northeast and slowly fan outwards. Don't build an isolated ATL-JAX line.

[gtcorndog]

Hell, Charlotte via Greenville would make a ton more sense than Jax via Savannah.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

Atlanta and the southeast region will never be as dense as the northeast. I wish people would get the idea of what works in NYC will work work elsewhere. The density, the geography, the history... no other part of America can match this.

There will NEVER be the demand to support this.
This is such a stupid idea.and I'm a big fan of rail.

By 2050 the southeast and Texas will have about 125 Million People , and Highways and Air by then will look 50x worse then Today. The South needs to build a regional rail network in each Metro area or state and High Speed Rail network to connect the various large cities. Most people by 2030 will live in a Dense suburb or City , its best to start planning now ,then when issues start becoming more and more prevalent. As for not becoming as dense as Northeast , Probably not. With Cities becoming more and more popular , you could have a mini Northeast grow in the southeast... As for HSR itself , the Northeastern plan is 5-10 Billion a year for the next 20-30 years to a total of 120 Billion , which when you put that up against the GDP its less then 2%...the Northeast puts up a 2.7 Trillion economy... The Midwestern Plan is 70 Billion and spread out 5-8 Billion per corridor and even less of a chunk about 0.5% of there 1.6 Trillion $ GDP... The South can afford a small system , however intill Atlanta and other cities expand or invest in there Urban Networks it might not be such a good investment. The South should follow the Midwest and create a regional Rail / HSR plan , not all lines need to go 220mph....some feeder or regional lines can go 125mph.

California High Speed Rail Network
Size : 800+ Mi (1,300kms)
Number of lines : 6
Stations : 25+
Projected Ridership : 95 Million a Year or 260,730 Daily
Top Speed : 220mph (350Km/h)
Cost : 68.5 Billion $

Midwest High Speed Rail Network
Size : 1,800 Mi+ (1,296Kms)
Stations : 76+ (Feeders factored in)
Lines : 6+ with 7 Feeders
Projected Ridership : 43 Million a year or 120,000 daily (Feeders factored in)
Top Speed on Trunk lines : 220mph (350Km/h)
Top Speed on Secondary / Feeder lines : 125mph (201Km/h)
Cost : 70 Billion $

Texas High Speed Rail Network
Size : 680 Mi+ (1,259kms)
Stations : 15
Lines : 5
Projected Ridership : 18.5 Million a year or 55,000 Daily
Top Speed on Trunk lines : 220mph (350Km/h)
Cost : 15-45 Billion $

Cascadia Corridor
Size : 407 Mi (753km)
Stations : 11
Lines : 1
Projected Ridership : 12.8 Million a year or 35,000 Daily
Top Speed on Trunk lines : 170mph (273Km/h)
Cost : 20 Billion $

Northeastern High Speed / Intercity Network
Size : 2,280 Mi+ (4,222kms)
Lines : 2 trunk lines + with 10 Feeders
Stations : 150+ (Feeders factored in)
Projected Ridership : 127 Million a year or 350,000 daily (Feeders factored in)
Top Speed on Trunk lines : 220mph (350Km/h)
Top Speed on Secondary / Feeder lines : 125mph (201Km/h)
Cost : 120 Billion $

Taken from MWHSR , CAHSR and AMtrak Next gen sources and other sources




--------------2000 - 2025 - 2050 Population

Greats Lakes : 54.1 - 64.7 - 71.6 Million
Northeastern Megapolis : 49.5 - 58.1 - 75.8 Million
Southern California : 24.9 - 34.8 - 39.3 Million
Texas Triangle : 16.5 - 26.8 - 38.1 Million
Florida : 14.7 - 21.4 - 31.5 Million
Piedmont Atlantic : 14.9 - 20.5 - 31.9 Million
Northern California : 12.7 - 17.3 - 21.1 Million
Gulf Coast : 11.7 - 15.8 - 23.6 Million
Cascadia : 10.2 - 12.5 - 24.6 Million
Arizona Sun Corridor : 5.7 - 7.4 - 12.3 Million
Front Range : 4.7 - 6.8 - 10.5 Million

United States Population in 2000 : 281.4 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2000 : 219 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2000 : 15 Million

United States Population in 2010 : 308.7 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population in 2010 : 250 Million
Public Transit Usage in 2010 : 34 Million

United States Population by 2025 : 340 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2025 : 286.5 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2025 : 70 Million

United States Population by 2050 : 440 Million
Urbanized Suburban and Urban Population by 2050 : 380 Million
Public Transit Usage by 2050 : 190 Million

[gtcorndog]

Where does that money come from?

[arjay57]

I say just do it. People have been yakking about this stuff for 50 years.

Let's get on with it or admit we're not going to keep up with the rest of the world.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

Where does that money come from?

Well the Northeastern and Midwestern and Texas plans call for 50/50 Public and Private funding , Texas seems to be going all private. The Northeast and Midwest Networks at least the core sections will be covered by the public , and private will do the Newer segments.... The Reason for that is the , the core areas are shared with commuter rail or light Rail or Subway tracks , and the public uses that corridor heavily.... Where as the newer lines do not share tracks or ROW with anything , although both regions call for using Interstate ROW for tracks. North of NYC the line would break from the Metro North tracks enter a tunnel in Mount Vernon and exit in Harrison along side I-684 where it would ride that I-84 near Danbury and take that to Massachusetts and I-90 into Boston all of this take 30-45mins...impressive about same amount as a Flight. Same with the Midwest although slightly different... Tunneling is the reason why the Northeast costs are so high , there will be between 30-45 Tunnels on the New NEC...

[StAubin]

I Like the Idea of a Public/Private partnership.

[gtcorndog]

So the per rider construction interest cost falls to about $230? Still a loser of a deal.