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Old 03-21-2012, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Bronx,NY
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It took me longer to make sense of this mess than it takes me to drive to work.
No Need to Exaggaerate buddy...

 
Old 03-21-2012, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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It took me longer to make sense of this mess than it takes me to drive to work.
Just wait till Friday. Hawks game and NCAA tournament in town. You'll be wishing you had MARTA to take you home.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Just wait till Friday. Hawks game and NCAA tournament in town. You'll be wishing you had MARTA to take you home.
In spite of apparent ITP assumptions to the contrary, traffic issues downtown don't really impact most of us.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Atlanta,GA
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In spite of apparent ITP assumptions to the contrary, traffic issues downtown don't really impact most of us.
Please elaborate.

Before I get into assumptions, I think it is a selfish way to think. I'm not pointing fingers at you, by any means. I believe that people living in the metro area should be less about their "corner" in metro Atlanta, and embrace how to improve the entire Metro as a whole. Why should someone in Kennessaw (or any suburb) not care about improving traffic/transport issues in the city of Atlanta? It may not affect them on a daily basis, but on their way to the airport, or maybe having to pay a fine/or court day in Atlanta someday will affect them. Or maybe someday, their kid will go to GSU and won't want to drive everyday .

For such beautiful city, I don't understand the level of selfishness of many people. If there's anything that annoys me about Atlanta, it's the OTP/ITP nonsense.

It's like someone from Queens, NY not giving a hoot about improvements in Manhattan, because they don't live there, or go there everyday. Sooner or later, it'll affect you. Whether or not you live in ITP/OTP.

This OTP/ITP nonsense is the exact reason why transit issues will never be resolved in this area. SAD. No one is expecting Atlanta to be NYC or Chicago, but if you want to play like the big boys, take a few lessons from them first.

Again, nothing against anyone in particular. This is not an anti-Atlanta post. I love this place, but some things could improve. This is one of them.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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Please elaborate.

Before I get into assumptions, I think it is a selfish way to think. I'm not pointing fingers at you, by any means. I believe that people living in the metro area should be less about their "corner" in metro Atlanta, and embrace how to improve the entire Metro as a whole. Why should someone in Kennessaw (or any suburb) not care about improving traffic/transport issues in the city of Atlanta? It may not affect them on a daily basis, but on their way to the airport, or maybe having to pay a fine/or court day in Atlanta someday will affect them. Or maybe someday, their kid will go to GSU and won't want to drive everyday .

For such beautiful city, I don't understand the level of selfishness of many people. If there's anything that annoys me about Atlanta, it's the OTP/ITP nonsense.

It's like someone from Queens, NY not giving a hoot about improvements in Manhattan, because they don't live there, or go there everyday. Sooner or later, it'll affect you. Whether or not you live in ITP/OTP.

This OTP/ITP nonsense is the exact reason why transit issues will never be resolved in this area. SAD. No one is expecting Atlanta to be NYC or Chicago, but if you want to play like the big boys, take a few lessons from them first.

Again, nothing against anyone in particular. This is not an anti-Atlanta post. I love this place, but some things could improve. This is one of them.
Amen.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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Like most cities Atlanta will be more connected via train in the future then the suburbs and those that rate traffic as the biggest issue don't live in Atlanta anyways, they live in the suburbs, thus the traffic issues. Rarely do I meet someone who lives in the city complain about the traffic. Commuter train would be great but I am excited Atlanta is planning and thinking ahead with projects like this and the Beltline, makes it a better place to live every year with new parks opening, rail etc.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Please elaborate.
We've seen numbers posted here before with regard to commuting patterns in the Atlanta metro, which is multi-nodal in nature.

Downtown is only one of three or four major job centers, and most of the folks who live OTP also work OTP. Nothing ITP vs. OTP about it at all ... it's simple statistics.

My comment was directed at the assumption that an event or two downtown would impact everyone's commute. It won't because most folks OTP won't be commuting downtown. But don't read some general deeper meaning into it, at least from me. As a general rule, I'm very much pro regional transit. I'm just correcting a silly assumption we see a lot in the Atlanta forum.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 10:34 PM
 
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So ATL Managed to get this Streetcar project off the Ground...By Picking Someone to design and build the Vehicles...Im for this project...BUT I Think for a
Pricetag of 47 Million bucks it wont DO A DAMN THING for overall congestion...its like a tourist line for Downtown....If ATL Put this Kind of energy into its COMUTTER RAIL startup then maybe we couldve actually had a Line or two Running by now...I Think Atlanta shouldve been puttin 100 PERCENT Into Commuter Rail...ITS TIME TO CUT THE BULLSHYT ALREADY!!! What good is a 2.6 mile streetcar going to do for the Hellified Traffic coming from ALL DIRECTIONS (I20-75-85-400)???? ABSOULUTELY NOTHING! Its like Damn Already how much longer do we have to suffer?? They say this "Is the beginning of regionwide transportation"...When in 2050???...I know theres all kind of BS Politics with the freight railroads and watever but We need to Focus on the Commuter Rail Implementation...I CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH!!
It will certainly make those areas be perceived as safer and spur development.
 
Old 03-22-2012, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Originally Posted by MisterNY View Post
Please elaborate.

Before I get into assumptions, I think it is a selfish way to think. I'm not pointing fingers at you, by any means. I believe that people living in the metro area should be less about their "corner" in metro Atlanta, and embrace how to improve the entire Metro as a whole. Why should someone in Kennessaw (or any suburb) not care about improving traffic/transport issues in the city of Atlanta? It may not affect them on a daily basis, but on their way to the airport, or maybe having to pay a fine/or court day in Atlanta someday will affect them. Or maybe someday, their kid will go to GSU and won't want to drive everyday .

For such beautiful city, I don't understand the level of selfishness of many people. If there's anything that annoys me about Atlanta, it's the OTP/ITP nonsense.

It's like someone from Queens, NY not giving a hoot about improvements in Manhattan, because they don't live there, or go there everyday. Sooner or later, it'll affect you. Whether or not you live in ITP/OTP.

This OTP/ITP nonsense is the exact reason why transit issues will never be resolved in this area. SAD. No one is expecting Atlanta to be NYC or Chicago, but if you want to play like the big boys, take a few lessons from them first.

Again, nothing against anyone in particular. This is not an anti-Atlanta post. I love this place, but some things could improve. This is one of them.
Well-said. Our local politicians seem to have no idea why they're failing at this Prisoner's Dilemma.
 
Old 03-22-2012, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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In spite of apparent ITP assumptions to the contrary, traffic issues downtown don't really impact most of us.
Then why is it every time there is a game or event downtown the top-end perimeter, GA 400, and I-85 looks like a parking lot? We live in a metropolitan area, everything is connected. What happens in the City of Atlanta effects those in Kennesaw or Duluth. The BeltLine is a very forward thinking project and will define future development. I'm not saying that all development will happen around the BeltLine, but I hope it changes this leapfrog development of the 90's and 2000's.
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