beltline steadily progressing... (Atlanta, Gordon, White: house, employment, neighborhood)

[ehoez]

http://atlantabeltlineblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/03-13-12-IMG_9811.jpg (broken link)

more wasted money.. 10 men on the job, only 3 doing work @ $20hr, and the head company making MILLIONS on the deal.

[JPD]

I only see eight people. Do you have a citation for these guys making $20/hour.

[cqholt]

Their pouring concrete and ready to spread, how are only 3 working?

[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Their pouring concrete and ready to spread, how are only 3 working?

Yea that was a pretty dumb statement

[ehoez]

It was a joke guys.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by ehoez

more wasted money.. 10 men on the job, only 3 doing work @ $20hr, and the head company making MILLIONS on the deal.

They might get by with a few less guys but if you have ever worked a road crew or done decking you'd understand that pouring is a pretty intense process. You've got to have your spreaders handy and the vibrator crew ready to go. Most folks like to keep it going, so that as one section is being finished you've got personnel ready to move on the next one. Those trucks have to be scheduled ahead and they don't just show up at a moments notice.

Since the work is being done by a private contractor up in Kennesaw with a lot of experience on this kind of project, I would imagine they've spent quite a bit of time figuring out how to maximize their manpower. That's one of your major costs on any job and it can sure eat into your profit margin.

[K'ledgeBldr]

Originally Posted by arjay57

I understand. My point was that even before the rail component goes in the Beltline still has significant transportation impact as a series of bike and pedestrian ways. A freeway or road isn't the only way to affect transportation.

It's my understanding that some of major rail portions of the Beltline (under TIA‐AT‐007 and TIA‐AT‐004) are scheduled for construction during 2016-2019. So if we can hang on a few more years we may be riding in style.

I don't buy that for a second.
But I like your optimism.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by K'ledgeBldr

I don't buy that for a second.
But I like your optimism.

Well, you may be right. It does seem like just about any infrastructure project in the U.S. takes 10-20 years longer than predicted.

[waronxmas]

Originally Posted by arjay57

They might get by with a few less guys but if you have ever worked a road crew or done decking you'd understand that pouring is a pretty intense process. You've got to have your spreaders handy and the vibrator crew ready to go. Most folks like to keep it going, so that as one section is being finished you've got personnel ready to move on the next one. Those trucks have to be scheduled ahead and they don't just show up at a moments notice.

Since the work is being done by a private contractor up in Kennesaw with a lot of experience on this kind of project, I would imagine they've spent quite a bit of time figuring out how to maximize their manpower. That's one of your major costs on any job and it can sure eat into your profit margin.

1 and a half other points:

1. Pouring concrete is a extremely physically intensive process. No crew could be in constant motion an entire shift, and would die of exhaustion if they tried. Lower that to 10 minutes for those who complain about work crews who "stand around and do nothing", yet have never worked on a construction crew right.

2. Like you said, pouring concrete is a extremely precise process and everything has to be in an exact order. If it isn't, then the entire job is a waste. You can't just pour right on top of a mistake either. You have to wait for it to dry, tear up the messed up section, and start all over again. Talk about a money waster.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

1 and a half other points:

1. Pouring concrete is a extremely physically intensive process. No crew could be in constant motion an entire shift, and would die of exhaustion if they tried. Lower that to 10 minutes for those who complain about work crews who "stand around and do nothing", yet have never worked on a construction crew right.

2. Like you said, pouring concrete is a extremely precise process and everything has to be in an exact order. If it isn't, then the entire job is a waste. You can't just pour right on top of a mistake either. You have to wait for it to dry, tear up the messed up section, and start all over again. Talk about a money waster.

Yep. Anybody who's ever had to wreck out a section of rebar-filled concrete knows what a gigantic headache that is. We once had some concrete that didn't meet test and out it came, at our expense. If you're on CPM (as most everything is these days) it puts the whole project behind and you'll have people screaming at you that you didn't even know existed. You can try to sort it out in the courts later on but that costs a small fortune and usually takes years.

The long and short of it is that you better have plenty of crew, including backup, when you're pouring.