New Atlanta Falcons Stadium (Sandy Springs, Pitts: to buy, closing, income)

[Cameron H]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Aside from the environmental justice issues, both designs look hokey and dated to me. And they are in no way integrated into the urban fabric.

It's clear you have little (no?) experience with NFL stadiums. They are massive structures. Any NFL stadium will "stick out" in any urban fabric you care to name. It's like criticizing Hartsfield for not blending in with the surrounding countryside.

In what way are they supposed to reinvigorate this area or improve street life?

The best case scenario for any stadium design would be that it attracts tourists to the area and offers a visually stunning landmark for pedestrians to appreciate (apart from, you know, the game experience). Personally, I think the Pantheon does that, and then some. Either way, the new stadium isn't going to be a place for passersby to stop and take a leak.

[JoeTarheel]

Originally Posted by Cameron H

It's clear you have little (no?) experience with NFL stadiums. They are massive structures. Any NFL stadium will "stick out" in any urban fabric you care to name. It's like criticizing Hartsfield for not blending in with the surrounding countryside.



The best case scenario for any stadium design would be that it attracts tourists to the area and offers a visually stunning landmark for pedestrians to appreciate (apart from, you know, the game experience). Personally, I think the Pantheon does that, and then some. Either way, the new stadium isn't going to be a place for passersby to stop and take a leak.

I don't think it's really intended to add to the neighborhood...a stadium is there for the purpose of the watching the sport, not to invigorate the area. I think it can add something to the surroundings, but it won't be immediate and it won't be the actual structure - that would be the businesses that pop up around.

[Nanosolar]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Marvel at the Atlanta Falcons' Ridiculously Over the Top New Stadium Proposal - Mark Byrnes - The Atlantic Cities

Comment section full of haters. Atlanta better go with the Pantheon.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Cameron H

It's clear you have little (no?) experience with NFL stadiums. They are massive structures. Any NFL stadium will "stick out" in any urban fabric you care to name. It's like criticizing Hartsfield for not blending in with the surrounding countryside.

I said earlier that I'm no expert on stadiums.

But if they are necessarily massive structures that will always stick out in any urban fabric, then why sic such a thing on a poor, minority area that's already struggling?

The best case scenario for any stadium design would be that it attracts tourists to the area and offers a visually stunning landmark for pedestrians to appreciate (apart from, you know, the game experience). Personally, I think the Pantheon does that, and then some. Either way, the new stadium isn't going to be a place for passersby to stop and take a leak.

It would be nice if it gave local residents (as well as tourists) a place to eat, drink, shop, visit or just hang out for a while and enjoy the city. I don't see why bathroom facilities should be out of the question either -- bodily functions don't cease simply because you're in the vicinity of an NFL facility.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by JoeTarheel

I don't think it's really intended to add to the neighborhood...a stadium is there for the purpose of the watching the sport, not to invigorate the area. I think it can add something to the surroundings, but it won't be immediate and it won't be the actual structure - that would be the businesses that pop up around.

Suppose a more affluent area was told by the powers that be that a massive, monolithic structure was going to be placed in their neighborhood and that it's really not intended to add to the neighborhood. It's going to be there for the purpose of well-heeled visitors watching sports, not to invigorate the area. Furthermore, while it might add something to the surroundings, that won't be immediate and it won't be the actual structure. They'll have to wait for the businesses that pop up around it if they expect local improvements.

Wonder how that would go over?

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by JPD

OK, you've said this more than enough times. It's time that you posted pictures of football stadiums in urban areas that are "integrated into the urban fabric."

Well, I've said several times I'm not an expert on stadiums. But I do think I can tell the difference between a structure that's monolithic and intended to be exclusive of the surrounding community, and one which is designed to bring the community into the mix. You see this in college stadiums all over the place. It's also done with baseball stadiums. What's the big deal about making a football stadium that way? It's an open air game, that has routinely been played for 100 years in climates far more severe than what we have here.

[joey86]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Suppose a more affluent area was told by the powers that a massive, monolithic structure was going to be placed in their neighborhood and that it's really not intended to add to the neighborhood. It's going to be there for the purpose of well-heeled visitors watching sports, not to invigorate the area. Furthermore, while it might add something to the surroundings, that won't be immediate and it won't be the actual structure. They'll have to wait for the businesses that pop up around it if they expect local improvements.

Wonder how that would go over?

If the land was available and it could be placed on a Marta line to reduce traffic I don't think they would care as much as people think they would. For the most part the land isn't available. I doubt there is a location on a Marta line that would displace less. This location does manage to not displace any people or businesses. In the suburbs things like this do get built, I don't know of stadia but venues like Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre in Alpharetta get built without any objection. Didn't a couple suburbs say they wanted it?

[ToucheGA]

Originally Posted by arjay57

They'll have to wait for the businesses that pop up around it if they expect local improvements.

Good point. Granted, these local businesses will be up and running by the time the new stadium is completed. Thus, the community will reap the benefits of the "local improvements" by that time.

[0nyxStation]

How many Falcon Stadium threads is Greg going to allow on the forum?? Hey Greg why you being lazy man? Its like 100 Falcon Stadium theads on here.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Well, I've said several times I'm not an expert on stadiums. But I do think I can tell the difference between a structure that's monolithic and intended to be exclusive of the surrounding community, and one which is designed to bring the community into the mix. You see this in college stadiums all over the place. It's also done with baseball stadiums. What's the big deal about making a football stadium that way? It's an open air game, that has routinely been played for 100 years in climates far more severe than what we have here.

I like the exterior, but it still doesn't blend in well with the street grid and surrounding neighborhood. Of course it backs up to railroads, but it is still surrounded by parking lots. There isn't a good example.
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