2012 Atlanta Region Transportation Referendum (oil, to work, drive)

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by atltechdude

Miami, Cleveland, LA, and Baltimore are heavy rail.

Compare their distance and tell me if they are similar... or don't and just realize that I've already done that before I posted originally and I am right.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

Compare their distance and tell me if they are similar.

They are all less than half the size of Atlanta by distance, but that doesn't mean there are no comparisons that can be made in terms of cost structure.

[cqholt]

Yes, because MARTA is a regional resource. It helps those traveling to the airport, visitors, conventioneers, those going to sporting events, business people, downtown events, cultural events, and those that rely on it to get to work. Without MARTA there would be thousands more cars on the road and thousands of people would not be able to get to work. Is that what you want, since you hate on MARTA so much?
Cleveland is LRT and 1 BRT Line. Miami, Baltimore, and MARTA were constructed around the same time.

[K-SawDude]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

It isn't odd to me. MARTA, Fulton and DeKalb want to suck resources and tax revenue from the suburban counties to pay for their mismanaged transit system. Regional welfare.

Umm, if we're really going to go to the "regional welfare" argument, hasn't the Atlanta metro area been subsidizing roads and transit for the rest of the state for decades now? In other words, more tax revenue has been generated within the city core, and yet rural and exurban areas have seen far more expenditure for their local projects per capita compared to Atlanta folks.

I'd like to see the numbers, but I find it hard to believe that Atlanta is somehow absorbing more money on transit (MARTA or otherwise) relative to taxes paid compared to the rest of the state.

[Onthemove2014]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

Compare their distance and tell me if they are similar... or don't and just realize that I've already done that before I posted originally and I am right.

Yeah, those cities are smaller on a land scale. You gotta look at how much the raile covers the city and thus they are valid comparisons.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by Onthemove2014

Yeah, those cities are smaller on a land scale. You gotta look at how much the raile covers the city and thus they are valid comparisons.

Not as much sprawl = you don't need as many miles in the transit system

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by cqholt

For those on here that say nobody rides MARTA or only poor people and criminals here is the proof.
Look at all those empty seats filled with stolen TVs from the suburbs. Yep all criminals there no working class people to be found.

An average 22% of the seats on a bus are filled and the trains only fill 39% of their seats (which excludes the standing room which has even more unused capacity).

Facts.

[cqholt]

On average that includes late night and early morning. What if we factored that into our wide freeways. The facts are most people use roads and transit between 6am to 8pm. That's when its standing room only. Throw in a baseball or football game and its like Tokyo subway.

[gtcorndog]

No. This take into account passenger miles and bus/train miles versus capacity. It gives weight to when the buses/trains are running and does not factor in off-peak times equally.

[gtcorndog]

Bottom line, this is an economic development tax and not a transportation/congestion relief tax.

Just call it what it is and stop trying to mislead the voters. Heck, do that I might even get onboard with some of the projects. However, as a transportation/congestion relief tax, this thing fails hard.