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Old 07-10-2012, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Bear this in mind- one of the main reasons that the Atlanta metro was able to grow like it did was because of the availability of "cheap homes". Not everyone wants to live in small, old homes in "up and coming" areas, so if that's all that was available, Atlanta would be nothing like it is today.




Ohh....so when someone else wants "the rest of the taxpayers" to pay for what they want, it's a bad thing, but when you want the taxpayers to foot the bill for MARTA escalator maintenance, or for a Clifton Corridor line that 99.9 % of the population will never use, it's "sometimes we have to do things for the greater good of the overall region". Interesting......




Perhaps, perhaps not- could be the old "what came first- the chicken or the egg" concept. But consider this- if, 10-15 years in the future there was suddenly the wonderful rail system that you envision, linking every part of the metro area and allowing the construction of the "transit-oriented development" that you so often tout, what do you think would happen to the home values in your neighborhood? You claim that the values there are improving because millenials want to live close to transit- so what would happen when the millenials could now find a nicer, newer, less expensive home near a transit station in Cobb, or Cherokee, or wherever, where they didn't have to worry about waiting for the neighborhood and schools to improve? Think about that for a bit, and you might find that you'll want to be careful what you wish for......
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Please tell me where does it lead, that it warrants a 4 lane freeway? Ball Ground?
Isn't that where the prestigious Hawks Ridge Golf Club is! On their website they say it is just north of Atlanta! More like north of Atlanta's exurbs!
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:37 AM
 
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NYC is still expensive and you can take Metro-North to Westchester and Fairfield Counties, PATH to NJ, and Long Island Rail Road to Long Island.
Yes, you sure can- as long as you don't mind a 2-hour door-to-door commute, which isn't very uncommon up there. When I lived in NJ, I knew tons of people who did that every day, and thought nothing of it, and yet we've got people complaining about 30-45 minute commutes here.....
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Perhaps, perhaps not- could be the old "what came first- the chicken or the egg" concept. But consider this- if, 10-15 years in the future there was suddenly the wonderful rail system that you envision, linking every part of the metro area and allowing the construction of the "transit-oriented development" that you so often tout, what do you think would happen to the home values in your neighborhood? You claim that the values there are improving because millenials want to live close to transit- so what would happen when the millenials could now find a nicer, newer, less expensive home near a transit station in Cobb, or Cherokee, or wherever, where they didn't have to worry about waiting for the neighborhood and schools to improve? Think about that for a bit, and you might find that you'll want to be careful what you wish for......
How do you know my transit plan for metro Atlanta? https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...3e9e7b1f&msa=0 I have no rail to Cherokee County because I know they do not want it, so why cram transit down their throats? I just want everyone to have a stress-free commute and spend more time with their families at home, and lower the amount of air pollution. I think that expanding transit will not decrease the lure on intown neighborhoods, look at Grant Park or Va-HA, they are nowhere near a rail line, but are very sought after.
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yet we've got people complaining about 30-45 minute commutes here.....
People will complain about anything.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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How do you know my transit plan for metro Atlanta? https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...3e9e7b1f&msa=0 I have no rail to Cherokee County because I know they do not want it, so why cram transit down their throats? I just want everyone to have a stress-free commute and spend more time with their families at home, and lower the amount of air pollution. I think that expanding transit will not decrease the lure on intown neighborhoods, look at Grant Park or Va-HA, they are nowhere near a rail line, but are very sought after.
I'm curious about the bolded section. People talk about lowering commute times, as if taking the train to work somehow takes your commute time down dramatically. You've stated in the past that you take a bus to the train (or vice versa) and then ride a bike the rest of the way to the office- if you don't mind, what the total distance you travel, and the total time from your front door to your desk?
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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if you don't mind, what the total distance you travel, and the total time from your front door to your desk?
Total miles: 19.88 miles https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.8...45976&t=m&z=12
Time: 45 minutes, door-to-door.
I would have to travel through very congested areas to get to work. Drove it 1 time, during Christmas holiday with light traffic. It took the same amount of time.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:55 AM
 
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Total miles: 19.88 miles https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.8...45976&t=m&z=12
Time: 45 minutes, door-to-door.
I would have to travel through very congested areas to get to work. Drove it 1 time, during Christmas holiday with light traffic. It took the same amount of time.
So your 20 mile commute takes about the same amount of time as my 35 mile commute, yet somehow transit results is a less stressful commute and allows more time with the family. Interesting......
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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So your 20 mile commute takes about the same amount of time as my 35 mile commute, yet somehow transit results is a less stressful commute and allows more time with the family. Interesting......
YES, I can sleep, read a book, do work while riding the train anything than have to concentrate of driving and watch out for the idiot Atlanta drivers. Also, my wife rides with me so that's an extra 1 hour a day I get to spend with her. Plus the amount of money I save on gas, car maintenance, and car insurance is staggering.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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YES, I can sleep, read a book, do work while riding the train anything than have to concentrate of driving and watch out for the idiot Atlanta drivers. Also, my wife rides with me so that's an extra 1 hour a day I get to spend with her. Plus the amount of money I save on gas, car maintenance, and car insurance is staggering.
This. There are far, far more advantages of using transit than just saving a few bucks on gas.
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Old 07-10-2012, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Years ago Walter Williams posed the question on a radio show; "How many persons did it take to get that bunch of bananas from the field to the store shelf?"



Walter E. Williams - Conservative Columnist and Political Commentator


If you think about it, it does relate to the topic of this thread.
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Old 07-11-2012, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Total miles: 19.88 miles https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.8...45976&t=m&z=12
Time: 45 minutes, door-to-door.
I would have to travel through very congested areas to get to work. Drove it 1 time, during Christmas holiday with light traffic. It took the same amount of time.
Yuck. Mine is 7.8 miles, and perhaps 15 minutes from door to door (counts walking across a large parking ramp and using two elevators).

I would hate a 45 minute commute each way.
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