If transportation vote fails, is there a plan B? (closing, near)

[Nanosolar]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

Yes, the young and blacks did get all riled up last election and helped elect a near socialist president based on buzzwords and the "Hey look, he looks like me" reasoning. That one election doesn't change the fact that old white people vote more than other demographic groups. It is what it is.

To imply that those old people don't care about the future is moronic. They care, and they vote. I'd blame the masses of uninformed young voters that don't vote if I were you rather than implying that old people are dying and vote simply on the basis that they don't care about the future. Hell, this generation of old people have done more for this country than any other generation.

You're an idiot. White America voted in this president, with the help of young people and blacks. The later two demographic groups are not nearly large enough to build a majority.

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by Nanosolar

You're an idiot. White America voted in this president, with the help of young people and blacks. The later two demographic groups are not nearly large enough to build a majority.

Actually, no.

Breakdown of demographics reveals how black voters swept Obama into White House | Mail Online

The President lost by 12% among white voters. If you are going to call someone out with an insult on intelligence, at least get your facts right.



Getting back on topic...

[cqholt]

That one election doesn't change the fact that old white people vote more than other demographic groups. It is what it is.

What else do they to do, yell at kids to get off their lawns?

To imply that those old people don't care about the future is moronic. They care, and they vote. I'd blame the masses of uninformed young voters that don't vote if I were you rather than implying that old people are dying and vote simply on the basis that they don't care about the future. Hell, this generation of old people have done more for this country than any other generation.

If they did, then they would want to pay the school part of their property taxes. That is the best way to fund future generations, but they lobbied to be exempt. Yes they saved the world from Nazis and then abandoned the city for the suburbs and caused the exact issue we trying to fix with this vote, traffic congestion. Before WW2 majority of people in an urban area lived in the dense city and rode expansive streetcar networks in cities of all sizes. But it was the 'greatest generation' that gave up on the city because they were scared of black people, so how are have they done more for this country than any other generation, just cause they did what everyother generation has done, answer the call of duty?

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by cqholt

If they did, then they would want to pay the school part of their property taxes. That is the best way to fund future generations, but they lobbied to be exempt. Yes they saved the world from Nazis and then abandoned the city for the suburbs and caused the exact issue we trying to fix with this vote, traffic congestion. Before WW2 majority of people in an urban area lived in the dense city and rode expansive streetcar networks in cities of all sizes. But it was the 'greatest generation' that gave up on the city because they were scared of black people, so how are have they done more for this country than any other generation, just cause they did what everyother generation has done, answer the call of duty?

Most are on fixed incomes. Exempting them from that just makes sense.

They gave up the city because they were scared of black people? Really? How ignorant is that comment? You truly have no clue and will say anything to promote your sad little mass transit fanboy agenda.

What has this generation or even the previous generation done that even compares to winning a world war with near universal sacrifice, then building the country's infrastructure and economy into the finest in the World? It isn't the fault of those dying now that that infrastructure is crumbling. That is the fault of the later generations who squandered every possible advantage that could've been given to them.

[cqholt]

They gave up the city because they were scared of black people? Really? How ignorant is that comment? You truly have no clue and will say anything to promote your sad little mass transit fanboy agenda.

wtf kind of insult is fanboy? I was referring to white flight.

What has this generation or even the previous generation done that even compares to winning a world war with near universal sacrifice, then building the country's infrastructure and economy into the finest in the World?

Okay, so the past generation built our great infrastructure that now needs replacing and upgrading. They thought the car was the end-all transportation answer, but really they should have kept the streetcar system. It is our job to invest in infrastructure like those of the past. Currently we are 48th in the nation, how can that little money keep the metro area and state competitive? The TIA is a start and a good one at that. It has the full backing of the Atlanta business community, civic leaders both ITP and OTP, and environmental groups, except Sierra Club cause their idiots. It is the current generations job to vote YES tomorrow and keep the work of past generations in investing in transportation infrastructure. We look at what the past generations did with Hartsfield-Jackson, the interstate freeway system, national railroad system. What have we done to build and maintain the infrastructure that made this country great?
This isn't about transit vs. roads. This is about sending a message to the world that we are willing to pay for investments in our infrastructure. Transportation is what made Atlanta a world-class city, we don't have a river or ocean. All we have is a massive airport, freeway and railroad hub.
We are not voting just for us, but for our kids and future generations so they can live car-free, if they want, or drive from the suburbs to their jobs with less stress and under 1 hour. We vote YES, so we can keep the air clean. We vote YES so we can keep attracting jobs and educated people to the area.

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Okay, so the past generation built our great infrastructure that now needs replacing and upgrading. They thought the car was the end-all transportation answer, but really they should have kept the streetcar system. It is our job to invest in infrastructure like those of the past.

Why should they have kept the streetcar? So that 50 years later it would be viable again? The past 50 years have proven that automobile transportation works. There was no reason that they should've looked 50 to 75 years down the road and abandoned what, at the time, was easily the most efficient way of getting around. That is absurd.

Invest in the right infrastructure. There isn't really anything transformational about this project list. What is being created in this project list? 5 miles of Clifton Corridor light rail that will attract 10,400 daily boardings? No thanks. I'll pass on this **** poor project list.

[Nanosolar]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

Actually, no.

Breakdown of demographics reveals how black voters swept Obama into White House | Mail Online

The President lost by 12% among white voters. If you are going to call someone out with an insult on intelligence, at least get your facts right.



Getting back on topic...

LOL, so you link me to the DailyMail? Come on dude....

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

~ 17% of the electorate is young, black/white/Hispanic. Obama got more of the white vote than Kerry. Get your facts straight.

[gtcorndog]

Originally Posted by Nanosolar

LOL, so you link me to the DailyMail? Come on dude....

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

~ 17% of the electorate is young, black/white/Hispanic. Obama got more of the white vote than Kerry. Get your facts straight.

C'mon son.

Obama lost the white vote by 12%.

Here is a NYT link that says the eaxct same stuff as the previous link.

Exit Polls - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

What does Kerry have to do with anything? You stated that the white vote won the election for Obama which is clearly inaccurate.

22% of the voters last election where Black or Hispanic. What are you talking about?

18% was under 29.

[cqholt]

Corndog doesn't believe in facts!

There was no reason that they should've looked 50 to 75 years down the road and abandoned what, at the time, was easily the most efficient way of getting around.

Single occupancy vehicles never have been or will ever be the most efficient way of transporting people.

The past 50 years have proven that automobile transportation works.

Yes, all that smog, paved over natural habitats, and congestion is proof. Where do you get this crap from?

Why should they have kept the streetcar?

The same reason NYC, Chicago and other older urban areas kept their transit system, because MASS TRANSIT is the most efficient way of getting around. Cities should have created zoning regulations that encouraged density around streetcar lines. That would have provided enough housing for the GIs coming home.

[Nanosolar]

Originally Posted by gtcorndog

C'mon son.

Obama lost the white vote by 12%.

Here is a NYT link that says the eaxct same stuff as the previous link.

Exit Polls - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

What does Kerry have to do with anything? You stated that the white vote won the election for Obama which is clearly inaccurate.

22% of the voters last election where Black or Hispanic. What are you talking about?

18% was under 29.

To clarify. ~ 17% of the electorate is young. So he takes 2/3's of that. Rounding up ~12%. He takes 100% of the black vote, 13%, 2/3 of the Hispanic vote 6%. Combined that is 12 + 13 + 6 = 31%, where did the other 20+ % come from? (Even though this is a pointless exercise considering the popular vote means nothing)

He got the 20% needed (nationally) from middle aged white people... in fact he got more than he actually needed in most states. I understand that he lost the white vote... He did not even need that level of support from the young/minorities to win. Yes, it's nice the media focused on those groups, they were full of energy, but middle white America sealed the deal. More importantly, he got enough of the white vote in crucial states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, etc. so as not to completely rely on those small demographics.