09-20-2012, 05:36 PM
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The 24 hour thread got me thinking....
It seems like as a society, we have gone backwards on closing times. I remember when I was a kid, if a store closed at 10pm, that meant they locked the front door at 10pm and didn't allow any new customers in. If people were still in the store, they were generally allowed to keep shopping for a bit and not pressured to leave until close to 10:30p. Nowadays, they shut off the registers and lights promptly at closing time.
The reason I'm asking this question is because the other day I went to a shopping mall at 10am. It was a ghost town. Deserted. Some of the stores hadn't even opened yet. The reverse is true at night, these same stores are kicking people out, closing gates, and shutting off lights.
So that got me thinking. Why are stores opening up at a time when nobody wants them and nobody is using them, and then kicking out customers who might stay and spend more money at the end of the day?
Instead of opening at 10am and closing at 9pm, wouldn't it make more sense for malls to open at 11:30am and close at 10:30pm?
What about big box retailers? Target closes at 10pm. When was the last time you were at a Target and there were no people there that needed to be kicked out? I don't understand why a store would ever kick a customer out.
I've got to assume that these stores have done their research and some calculation has shown that the additional revenue gained after 10p doesn't make the overhead of salaries and lighting worthwhile to pay. But what if that's an outdated notion that nobody has bothered to update? What if it was created as an aggregate for a national scale (since every Target in America closes at 10p), but doesn't necessarily make sense for a city like Atlanta? Don't you think Lenox mall could support healthy business until at least 11pm most nights?
Maybe Atlanta isn't ready to be a true 24 hour city yet. But haven't we at least graduated beyond being a 9pm city? I know a handful of places stay open later (believe me, I know them all), but wouldn't Best Buy sell a lot of TVs and computers between 9p and 11p? Doesn't it make sense for Home Depot to not start closing at 9p instead of 10p when we set the clocks back in the fall? When did we become such late night pansies in this country?
If you really think about it, most people aren't out of work until around 6pm, maybe 5pm for people who have really traditional hours. Even if people could instantly warp to stores and get there at 5pm, that still only leaves 4 hours of shopping time until closing at 9pm. Realistically, most people can't even get anywhere before 6:30p, which only leaves 2.5 hours to shop, and they have to eat dinner in there, too, so most traditional stores are only really open for about 1.5 hours of real shopping opportunity for most regular people. Maybe the old way made sense when one spouse could afford to not work, but haven't we reached a point where retail needs to keep up with the needs of the public at large? I just don't get it.
09-20-2012, 05:56 PM
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Why not?
09-20-2012, 06:38 PM
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I think you are overestimating the amount of shoppers who'd be out past 9pm to justify a lot of stores staying open past then. Those big stores you're talking about cost a fortune to staff, light, and heat/cool and there has to be a substantial number of staff on hand when the doors are unlocked just for security reasons unless you run a company that serves shoplifters and doesn't intend to be in business very long. There really aren't that many people out looking for TVs at 10:30 on a weeknight(Besides maybe college students who can't really afford many tvs). Many more people work from 5,6,7,8,9am up until 5pm than work odd shifts. I used to work odd shifts and I know how frustrating dealing with early closing times can be but I dealt with it pretty well.
Even in NYC, hardly any electronics and clothing stores(outside of Times Square) stay open past 8 or 9. A lot of places may have cut back later hours due to the economy. I can imagine those later hours may also draw in more n'er-do-wells.
Now that I usually work a normal day shift, normal closing times aren't all that inconvenient. I just wish the freaking bank and post office would stay open until 6 or 7pm.
I will say that I was disappointed when I discovered that the Howell Mill Wal Mart actually closed at night.
09-20-2012, 06:43 PM
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i honestly think you're right— especially on thursday, friday and saturday.
09-20-2012, 06:46 PM
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I believe Home Depot experimented with extended hours a few years ago. It might have been 24 hours. That quickly went bust.
Stores often don't mind the slow period in the morning because there are quite a few tasks they take care of to get the store ready for the day. So even if there are not a great deal of customers that does not mean the employees don't have things to do in the am.
09-20-2012, 06:51 PM
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I believe Home Depot experimented with extended hours a few years ago. It might have been 24 hours. That quickly went bust.
I always heard about the 24 hour Home Depot, but never went. I think it was either the one on Clairmont or the one on Sidney Marcus.
I know not every Home Depot needs to stay open late, but I think at least one 24 hour Home Depot would be great. I've done a lot of projects that have gone into the night where I needed a specific tool or material, but it was too late to get. I'm the kind of person who would rather hop in the car and drive 30 minutes to a 24 hour Home Depot to get the job done instead of having to go to bed with it unfinished.
This might be a total myth, but I heard that they stopped the 24 hour operating hours because they had a huge problem with gay men hooking up in the bathroom late at night. I can't imagine that's the real reason.
09-20-2012, 06:59 PM
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This might be a total myth, but I heard that they stopped the 24 hour operating hours because they had a huge problem with gay men hooking up in the bathroom late at night. I can't imagine that's the real reason.
ew. yeah, that does sound like a myth. i've seen the bathroom be a meeting place for some presumably not-out-of-the-closet gays looking to find a quick fix, but i've never actually heard of them using the bathroom to do it in.
09-20-2012, 07:28 PM
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I always heard about the 24 hour Home Depot, but never went. I think it was either the one on Clairmont or the one on Sidney Marcus.
There were more than just a couple. I think the Vinings one near me was one of them. I remember when it was first announced I loved the idea and thought it would come in handy.
I never went.
At a store like HD, late night shoppers are there to pick up last minute and very likely low cost, low margin items. No one is shopping for appliances, carpet or counter tops at that time.
Don't forget you now have the trouble of staffing these stores. I can't imagine you are going to get the best service for the few employees that have to staff a huge store.
I think this is an idea that we love for convenience, but the numbers don't add up for the company.
09-20-2012, 09:05 PM
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I've got to assume that these stores have done their research and some calculation has shown that the additional revenue gained after 10p doesn't make the overhead of salaries and lighting worthwhile to pay.
Bingo.
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But what if that's an outdated notion that nobody has bothered to update?
Rest assured, there are plenty of people who make careers out of analyzing things like this, and (no offense to you) their decisions are far more grounded than your gut feelings and armchair analysis. Retailers employ entire teams of people who do nothing except design shelf layouts... believe me, they know what hours they need to be open.
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At a store like HD, late night shoppers are there to pick up last minute and very likely low cost, low margin items. No one is shopping for appliances, carpet or counter tops at that time.
Don't confuse low prices with low margins. They probably make less selling a washing machine than the water lines that go with it. Big ticket items that people comparison shop for are usually sold at or near cost, or even at a loss if there's a sale. It's things like hoses and screws that are marked up as much as 1000%. That number is no joke, when I put my time in at an office retailer we were paying $2 for USB cables and selling them for $30... that's $28 profit... a $1000 computer could net us half that if it was a hot item.
Retail is a funny business, and (like most things) a hell of a lot more complicated than people realize
09-20-2012, 09:07 PM
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All Im thinking about at 5am in the morning is food, sleep or sex. Im not thinking about buying a car, going to the library, picking cotton, going shopping, etc at 5am
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People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)