12-05-2012, 10:01 AM
Location: Kirkwood
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parking is too high and the crappy food is too expensive. The $1 soda refill is the best thing SFOG offers.
MARTA runs a shuttle from HE Holmes station. You can bring in your own food and water, buy a locker for $7 and use it. Six Flags just added a new ride this year, not talking about the flight coaster either.
12-05-2012, 01:26 PM
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You could go on and on all day long about all the problems SFOG has. There are obvious theme park issues in that the park just doesn't have the same quality rides as similaryly sized parks in similar cities.
However, without spending any real money, the park could vastly improve with better operations. As was stated, SFOG has no real clue as to how to accomodate crowds and they will operate a single train on busy days for a coaster than can easily accomodate two or three trains. You may save a tiny bit of money by limiting the trains, but you lose a ton with patrons that see the lines and decide to never come back.
You also have to spend a lot more time properly training your staff. Yeah, I know they are high school kids with summer jobs and I also understand that they aren't going to be Disney quality people. But you still have to at least hire outgoing kids who seem to have fun with their jobs, who know how to make customers feel safe, and who don't allow their nasty friends to sneak into the park free and cut in line. Line cutting is a huge problem at SFOG and nobody does anything about it. At most quality parks, they instantly expel line cutters. Controlling this problem doesn't cost the park anything but makes a huge difference in the experience for the customers. Consider how much of a better job Disney does and realize that they don't pay their people any more money and it's not like they have access to some secret stash of professional theme park ride operators. They just hire high school kids who live in Orlando and we hire kids who live in Atlanta, so you should be able to get a quality that at least starts to slightly resemble what they have achieved. The real difference is they just have excellent management.
Another thing SFOG needs to figure out is a line management system. Last time I was there you could purchase the device that reserves a space in line, but that is an old model. Most decent parks nowadays don't charge for this service anymore, they just give it to you. Maybe SFOG has caught on, I haven't been there in a few years, but I suspect they haven't.
When I was a high school kid living in Alabama, we came to Six Flags all the time. It was kind of grungey and needed improvement even back then, but it's amazing to see just how far it has collapsed in the past 10-15 years. It's frustrating to know that ultimately a lot of money needs to be spent to bring the park up to par, but it could be made leaps and bounds better by spending just a little or even no extra money just by getting some decent management in there.
I suspect it will be out of business by 2025. At least it will be fun to sneak into old abandoned Six Flags and take pictures of the remains.
12-05-2012, 02:14 PM
Location: Atlanta
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MARTA runs a shuttle from HE Holmes station. You can bring in your own food and water, buy a locker for $7 and use it. Six Flags just added a new ride this year, not talking about the flight coaster either.
What is that?
I know they are taking down the wheelie and putting a new really tall swing ride.
12-05-2012, 02:20 PM
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I would love for Six Flags to be open 24/7/365 for my convenience. But they are a business, they will stay open when they think they can make money. I will go and spend my money there when it fits my schedule and want to go.
12-05-2012, 02:40 PM
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Consider how much of a better job Disney does and realize that they don't pay their people any more money and it's not like they have access to some secret stash of professional theme park ride operators. They just hire high school kids who live in Orlando and we hire kids who live in Atlanta, so you should be able to get a quality that at least starts to slightly resemble what they have achieved. The real difference is they just have excellent management.
I'm sure the management is far better at Disney, but I would be very interested in seeing a breakdown of Six Flags vs. Disney in terms of pay, benefits and incentives, career opportunities, etc. It's probably safe to assume that Disney outclasses Six Flags by a wide margin.
12-05-2012, 03:07 PM
Location: Savannah GA
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I've always thought that the main reason SFOG had such a limited operating season was due to the fact nearly all their employees are teenagers -- high school or college students who simply aren't available any other time of the year. Even then, they have a hard time staying fully staffed with dependable kids even during the summer from what I've heard.
I don't know how the Orlando theme parks manage to stay open year round, other than the fact they employ mostly adults willing to work for a pitiful wage.
12-05-2012, 07:26 PM
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SFOG has gone downhill, but the fact of the matter is it has always been pretty much the worst park in the entire Six Flags chain.
Goliath is the first decent ride the park has gotten in the past decade and I'm pretty sure we were the last Six Flags park in the country to get a hyper coaster. If not the last, then one of the last.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
SFOG is regarded by coaster enthusiasts as one of the best parks in the Six Flags chain. On Theme Park Review it has 4 stars:
Theme Park and Roller Coaster Index - Photos,Reviews,Videos for hundreds of Theme Parks and Roller Coasters . There are only 3 Six Flags Parks with a higher rating. The love SFOG so much they have a yearly event:
Deep South Bash 2012 - Six Flags Over Georgia - Theme Park Review .
And SFOG was certainly not the "last Six Flags park in the country to get a hyper coaster."
Six Flags Discovery Kingdom, Six Flags Marine World, Six Flags Fiesta Texas, and Six Flags St. Louis still don't have a hyper coaster. Several parks formerly owned by Six Flags (Six Flags Ohio, Elitch Gardens, Kentucky Kingdom, SF Belgium, SF Holland) never had a hypercoaster. Six Flags Astroworld never got one before it closed in 2005.
12-05-2012, 07:42 PM
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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It is sad that as you age the thrill goes out for a lot of these rides. I don't know if it is the inner ear or what but I just don't like them anymore, too rough, make me quesy. Never had a problem with them as a teen or twentysomething. Getting older sucks.
It has been at least 10 years since I have been to SFOG and was sad how it had deteriorated from the park of my youth in the 70s and 80s. It was always immaculate back then. Still, I found it in better shape than its Texas sister. The Texas park is still popular, but it has aged too and wasn't in the best shape in a visit a few years back, found it even more depressing than SFOG.
But no one does theme parks like the Orlando resorts. I am at the age where I like the feel, the design , the gardens, the upkeep, the live shows... that kind of thing moreso than super jarring rides. In that sense, the folks in Orlando, no matter if it is Universal, Disney or Sea World, know where and why and how there bread is buttered. Sometime you do get what you pay for.
12-05-2012, 07:47 PM
Location: South Carolina
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I do not know how many parkgoers would be happy being outside partaking rides and shows in colder temperatures from November through March. Usually in colder months, people are going to stay inside rather than go to amusement parks. Staying open would require labor and many parkgoers, both likely hard to find.
I have not been to Six Flags in over 10 years. At the time of my last visit, it had more to offer than Carowinds.
12-05-2012, 07:48 PM
Location: Savannah GA
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People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)