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Old 08-02-2013, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Atlanta's Castleberry Hill
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Yea but I doubt many people use that to go to their games



19,000 parking spaces, and they fill it up! And this picture doesn't even show the full extent of it. This is a parking lot Atlanta has never seen before.

This stadium is not close to San Diego's core like our new stadium will be, so we don't have that kind of space to work with. We simply need high capacity transit in our situation, and I just don't see as many people using MARTA anymore with the stadium being a half mile further away. Argue all you want, but those are the facts. Oh well, it'll be interesting to see what (if any) solutions are thought up...
Yes I agree, but the street car could give an additional option along with Marta also. And the Turner Field Maglev train could possible help giving riders an additional east /west connection.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:31 AM
 
Location: City of Trees
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Fine, then where the hell is a spur going to come from? You can't tie a spur into the existing North or West lines without serious disruption of existing infrastructure. Even if you could, the cost of it would be astronomical, and MARTA doesn't have the money.

Any transit connection to the north side is going to be LRT or streetcar, neither of which is as optimal as the current setup of two HRT MARTA stations within a few hundred feet of the Dome's gates. Marginalizing that connection will probably add thousands of vehicles to the area during events on an already overburdened road network. Hence for the Falcons and the GWCCA to place a billion dollar stadium that will seat 70,000 people farther away from MARTA is outright foolish.
With all the political pressure related to this deal, and Reed hellbent on getting reelected, I believe they'll make it work. As "optimal" as the south site is for transit, the size of that lot would present other problems. There are plenty of MARTA riders that already walk more than half a mile to tailgate or dine out on gameday, and some of them would have the option of walking 0.8 miles east to Civic Center Station instead of waiting for two trains to go north. In some ways, the north site is more efficient for transit. The issue is how attractive the walk is along Ivan Allen and Northside to the MARTA stations, and having a captive market of walkers reportedly already has developers champing at the bit to redevelop both streetscapes.

All this assumes they don't build a brand new station closer to the north site, and I'm saying it's not impossible, given what's at stake for everyone involved in the deal.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:50 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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With all the political pressure related to this deal, and Reed hellbent on getting reelected, I believe they'll make it work. As "optimal" as the south site is for transit, the size of that lot would present other problems. There are plenty of MARTA riders that already walk more than half a mile to tailgate or dine out on gameday, and some of them would have the option of walking 0.8 miles east to Civic Center Station instead of waiting for two trains to go north. In some ways, the north site is more efficient for transit. The issue is how attractive the walk is along Ivan Allen and Northside to the MARTA stations, and having a captive market of walkers reportedly already has developers champing at the bit to redevelop both streetscapes.
If history is any indication, it'll be a while before that corridor is improved outside of token streetscape improvements.

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All this assumes they don't build a brand new station closer to the north site, and I'm saying it's not impossible, given what's at stake for everyone involved in the deal.
Not at $100-150 million/mile which is the base cost to construct HRT rail, and the amount of tunneling required to tie it into existing MARTA lines would drive that cost even higher. The maglev proposal being talked about for Tuner Field wouldn't be a badmuch more suitable idea (and even better if it's constructed as a "jughandle" loop connecting Civic Center and Vine City to serve both main MARTA lines).
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:05 AM
 
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We could have streetcars going to Turner Field and the Falcon's Nest. Have the teams pay for the cost of building it to the stadiums. We'll pay the cost of extending them a mile or two past the stadiums. Both of them should connect to Five Points/MMPT. Maglev takes up too much space and isn't a proven technology. Not enough for me at least.

If the walk is nice enough the streetcars could carry as many people as they need to. If we had streetcars on those routes running 365 days a year enough investment should come to those corridors to keep the walk interesting.
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Old 08-03-2013, 03:04 AM
 
Location: East Point
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it's so ironic that people are still discussing the problem for which i gave a solution on the last page...
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Old 08-03-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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it's so ironic that people are still discussing the problem for which i gave a solution on the last page...
Your solution runs into this problem:

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Fine, then where the hell is a spur going to come from? You can't tie a spur into the existing North or West lines without serious disruption of existing infrastructure. Even if you could, the cost of it would be astronomical, and MARTA doesn't have the money.
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Old 08-03-2013, 09:30 AM
 
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If we were going to do heavy rail couldn't it come from the Mmpt? Or maybe a Mechanicsville infill station?
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Castleberry Hill
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it's so ironic that people are still discussing the problem for which i gave a solution on the last page...
Yes, you have historically shown that you excel at coming up with unrealistic unworkable solutions to pretty much any problem. Double facepalm indeed. Nothing wrong with dreaming for the future but don't call out others when they've already pointed out the flaws in your "solution". Ignoring the flaws won't make them magically disappear. Reality exists whether you like it or not.
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Old 08-03-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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GWCCA, church $14 million apart when stadium talks stopped | www.ajc.com
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Old 08-03-2013, 05:10 PM
 
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Yes, you have historically shown that you excel at coming up with unrealistic unworkable solutions to pretty much any problem. Double facepalm indeed. Nothing wrong with dreaming for the future but don't call out others when they've already pointed out the flaws in your "solution". Ignoring the flaws won't make them magically disappear. Reality exists whether you like it or not.


Great response.
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