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Old 11-14-2007, 09:05 PM
 
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If you don't like Creflo, don't go to his church. Leave people who want to give alone. Pope John Paul wore Prada and noboby complained about him.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:02 PM
 
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why you guys care what car creflo drives? how much he earns? it is not your business.

50 cents is a gangster and drives most expensive cars and feeds your kids with his rap stupid murder music. Nobody says nothing about him.

Creflo is a man of God and deserves the best.

First of all if members of his church would be poor he would not get 69 mil from donations. Obviously members of the church are prospering and give an honor to God and give it back.

Otherwise if they would not prosper they would not give a dime cause they would not have money to give.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Douglasville, GA
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Not me. I'm Catholic.
Well damn. You got enough of yhour own problems then.
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Old 11-14-2007, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Well damn. You got enough of yhour own problems then.
Especially if you got male children. The priest just love it when you bring them to church!
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:20 AM
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. Pope John Paul wore Prada and noboby complained about him.

I know lots of people who complained about him.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:22 AM
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50 cents is a gangster and drives most expensive cars and feeds your kids with his rap stupid murder music. Nobody says nothing about him.

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Technically, that's true, since "nobody says nothing" is a double negative. Lots of people are vocally opposed to him.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:37 AM
 
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Is that stated somewhere in the bible? And if it's true, just because Jesus didn't make money means no one else should?

The OP's title (going broke) suggests that there is something wrong with giving to Creflo's ministry, as if there's some sort of corruption going on. But he offers no data to support the implication. The bold text suggests that the OP is quoting something but he doesn't bother to reference it. The statement itself is neither positive or negative. If the number was $69 a year, it would still be just as nuetral. Then he questions who gives and what Creflo does. I simply answered his question based on the info I could find (and reference) and asked another. Again, what's wrong with making $69M? Or in other words, what's the point of the post?
Actually Jesus probably had a nice stash of cash somewhere because why would he need a Treasurer? Jesus' clothes were of value as well because Roman guards briefly scuffled over them and even gambled for the garment. Now one could speculate that his divinity is why they gambled for his garments but we have to keep in mind that these same guards may have assisted in his crucifixion. So in other words, Jesus was well dressed and people gave to his ministry.

On another note, who ever said that a pastor or preacher must live a poor and unhappy life. Being saved has its benefits if one is obedient and keeps God's law! So with that in mind I would support Creflo Dollars ministry not because of his lavish lifestyle, but because it is doing so many wonderful things in Atlanta period!
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:10 AM
 
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I wish just we have many Creflo Dollars people around. Most people are selfish, self centered and money workshipers
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:34 AM
 
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why you guys care what car creflo drives? how much he earns? it is not your business.

50 cents is a gangster and drives most expensive cars and feeds your kids with his rap stupid murder music. Nobody says nothing about him.

Creflo is a man of God and deserves the best.

First of all if members of his church would be poor he would not get 69 mil from donations. Obviously members of the church are prospering and give an honor to God and give it back.

Otherwise if they would not prosper they would not give a dime cause they would not have money to give.

Rap doesn't feed my kids. They listen to Jazz and Classical.

People are known by their fruits. I don't know how you are saying Creflo is a "man of God", when Jesus himself said that men like him will hardly reach heaven.

You are equating having lots of money(prosperity) with 'godliness'. Interesting, when Jesus said just the opposite.
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:40 AM
 
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Actually Jesus probably had a nice stash of cash somewhere because why would he need a Treasurer? Jesus' clothes were of value as well because Roman guards briefly scuffled over them and even gambled for the garment. Now one could speculate that his divinity is why they gambled for his garments but we have to keep in mind that these same guards may have assisted in his crucifixion. So in other words, Jesus was well dressed and people gave to his ministry.

On another note, who ever said that a pastor or preacher must live a poor and unhappy life. Being saved has its benefits if one is obedient and keeps God's law! So with that in mind I would support Creflo Dollars ministry not because of his lavish lifestyle, but because it is doing so many wonderful things in Atlanta period!
Most arguements that Jesus was "rich" have just surfaced and come from the translations of people like Dollar. Here are some arguements against the "Jesus was rich" theory from the AJC.

JESUS WAS POOR
Most New Testament scholars don't believe the wise men from the East story is literally true: Biblical scholars say the story about the wise men from the East giving treasure to baby Jesus appears in only one of the four Gospels. New Testament scholar John Dominic Crossan says the story "is absolutely parabolic."
Roman soldiers gambled for the clothes of many condemned criminals:
"It was ordinary for prisoners to be stripped naked and looted by soldiers," says Sondra Ely Wheeler, an ethicist at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C., and author of "Wealth as Peril and Obligation: The New Testament on Possessions" (Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, $20). Wheeler says the soldiers also were gambling for the robe Herod placed on Jesus to mock him. "I'm sure that was expensive — he got it from Herod."

The text doesn't say that Judas was a treasurer, only that he held the common purse: Neither the King James nor the New International Version of the Bible calls Judas the "treasurer." The NIV calls him the "keeper of the money bag," and the King James says he "had the bag." Scholars say he held the money not for Jesus but for all the disciples, a common custom of the time for itinerant preachers. "To call Judas a treasurer is like looking at two kids who go to the movies and calling the one who holds the money the treasurer," Wheeler says.

Jesus did not have a lucrative occupation: Crossan says the Greek word in Matthew for Jesus' occupation has been translated into carpenter, but a more accurate translation would change the word to a laborer.

Jesus and his disciples were poor, according to archaeological evidence: Eric Meyers, a professor of archaeology at Duke University and editor of the Oxford Encyclopedia of Archaeology in the Near East, says he has personally excavated the village of Nazareth where Jesus lived. He pointed out that the Bible says Jesus was so poor that he couldn't afford his own tomb for his burial. "There is no way to speak of wealth in that context," he says. "This is living at the margins of society, eking out an agricultural existence."
Wealthy people were viewed with hostility: Obery M. Hendricks Jr., author of "The Politics of Jesus" (Doubleday, $26), says wealthy people of Jesus' time were people who preyed upon the poor or collaborated with the Romans.
"To have a whole lot meant that I stole it from somewhere else," he says. "The only way you could really become rich was by exploiting others."
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