Portland mayor: 'It'll take generations' to fix metro Atlanta's sprawl (Acworth: sale, high crime)

[bhammaster]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Show me, then. Prove me wrong. Show me a townhouse in Lindbergh for $300,000 and then show me a COMPARABLY-APPOINTED detached single-family dwelling in Acworth or Kennesaw that is "hundreds of thousands less".

I don't know much about Lindbergh but you don't get to make a claim and then decide the criteria.

Here are 4 bedrooms homes in Midtown

Midtown Atlanta GA Homes For Sale & Midtown Real Estate - Zillow


Here are 4 bedrooms in Acworth

Acworth GA Homes For Sale & Acworth Real Estate - Zillow


Here is about as close as I could search Linbergh. If you want to say the home prices aren't much different in that area by all mean prove it yourself

Atlanta GA Real Estate - 5731 Listings - Zillow

[Mischief8]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Yes. People are consciously making the "lifestyle choice" to throw away all that is old, cherished, established, and used in order to have bigger, newer, and "better".

If sprawl is left unchecked suburbs in Atlanta are going to start cannibalizing other suburbs. You'll eventually have a very vibrant, dense, and affluent city proper of Atlanta surrounded by a ring of ghettoized suburbs surrounded by another ring of posh McMansion-dominated exurban areas. People are fickle. People have short attention spans. The 1990s wave of sprawl is already being viewed as being "outdated" and is being replaced by newer sprawl further out in many areas, not just Atlanta. At what point do you look at your overall land usage footprint (the metro area of Atlanta is now the size of Massachusetts) and think "we can't keep moving further and further outwards to escape our problems"?

You should write your local Atlanta council person and explain to them why you fear the ills of suburban sprawl will ruin your beloved, potentially spectacular city.

[bhammaster]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Funny how people living in suburban, exurban, and rural areas never balk at we city-dwellers paying taxes that partially subsidize their longer commutes to build wider and newer infrastructure into newer areas while people in those areas squawk when the prospect of a portion of THEIR taxes going to support mass transit that would benefit them AND city-dwellers alike comes into play.

This happens in PA all the time with the rural vs. urban political grandstanding bull excrement.

I'd like to know how people in Atlanta pay more more suburban folks then vise versa?

[bhammaster]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Yes. People are consciously making the "lifestyle choice" to throw away all that is old, cherished, established, and used in order to have bigger, newer, and "better".

If sprawl is left unchecked suburbs in Atlanta are going to start cannibalizing other suburbs. You'll eventually have a very vibrant, dense, and affluent city proper of Atlanta surrounded by a ring of ghettoized suburbs surrounded by another ring of posh McMansion-dominated exurban areas. People are fickle. People have short attention spans. The 1990s wave of sprawl is already being viewed as being "outdated" and is being replaced by newer sprawl further out in many areas, not just Atlanta. At what point do you look at your overall land usage footprint (the metro area of Atlanta is now the size of Massachusetts) and think "we can't keep moving further and further outwards to escape our problems"?

You don't have a clue.

Atlanta stopped sprawling outward a good while ago.

[Mischief8]

Originally Posted by bhammaster

You don't have a clue.

Atlanta stopped sprawling outward a good while ago.

Truth!!

Not only did it stop sprawling, many of the sprawled developments collapsed in on themselves and folks came in closer.

[jsvh]

I do think we are shift back inwards in the Atlanta Metro. It has been evident in the population patterns of the last decade. The city limits have gone from losing people to gaining, and accelerating in gaining.

I think we have learned that building more highway lanes does not solve anything in the long term. And if you don't want traffic you have to live closer to work.

[Saintmarks]

So, this has devolved into a poster NOT from Atlanta espousing a far leftist view of how ALL people should live to enhance his preferred lifestyle. Time for the Atlanta faithful to move onto something that doesn't involve resurrecting an archaic Marxist worldview that has been proven in EVERY instance it has been implemented to degrade the human experience.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

So, this has devolved into a poster NOT from Atlanta espousing a far leftist view of how ALL people should live to enhance his preferred lifestyle. Time for the Atlanta faithful to move onto something that doesn't involve resurrecting an archaic Marxist worldview that has been proven in EVERY instance it has been implemented to degrade the human experience.

...I agree with Saintmarks...it's time for the Atlanta forum posters to stop feeding this obvious troll and move on to something more constructive.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Time for the Atlanta faithful to move onto something that doesn't involve resurrecting an archaic Marxist worldview that has been proven in EVERY instance it has been implemented to degrade the human experience.

Yea, just as having tax dollar funded and government run factories results in more problems than it creates. The tax dollar funded highways results in sprawl by forcing people that would prefer to live near work to move into the suburbs to save money.

Atlanta is a great city and will grow stronger. We are heading in the right direction and will continue to attract people and business to the area with a choice of lifestyles at reasonable prices.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

I say sour grapes that his little northwest city will never be anything more than the largest town in Oregon.

Originally Posted by waronxmas

... The mayor of Portland can go take his opinion elsewhere. It's easy for him to be all boastful as the leader of a third tier city in a State with almost half the population of Metro Atlanta alone. Our situation is way more complex than he can wrap his pithy little sound bite around.

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

This lingering economic downturn aside...really...Atlanta has left Portland to eat Atlanta's economic dust. Portland has an attractive wilderness with natural boundaries in place anyway, and they want to have a certain lifestyle. Atlanta has no natural boundaries and has chosen an economic growth strategy that has worked very well.

Any supposed "fix" would be to make Atlanta more like Portland. Two very different places and cultures. I mean, Portland has its "Portland Freeze" along with Seattle and Vancouver. How to fix that? Not a problem in Atlanta. A place like Pittsburgh would probably have to look to Portland as Pittsburgh is similar in terrain and probably can only attract through lifestyle as its not likely to be a hub of commerce.

Originally Posted by waronxmas

This 100%

Atlanta is laying the ground work to be a city much more dynamic and robust than Portland (and we already are in many ways since Portland is straight up BORING with a capital B). While I hate comparisons to other cities since we will eventually end up being unique, we're shooting to be more like a Shanghai or Sydney or Singapore and maybe even a London or Tokyo if we play our cards right. We're not trying to be a Portland. LOL

Edit:

That's not to say there aren't things Atlanta as a city could learn from Portland. They're NIMBYism though is putting them on a trajectory to remain a decent midsize town for ever. We have bigger plans thank you very much.

The posts above say it all.