UGA engineering enrollment up 50%, new scholarships, faculty hires (Atlanta, Savannah: employment, schools)

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

This has to do with UGA having engineering...period. Little Johnny could have gone to UGA for 2-years, then transfer to GT.

Mathman - After two years at UGA, he would not dare to transfer anywhere!!!!! Woof!!!!

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

Mathman - After two years at UGA, he would not dare to transfer anywhere!!!!! Woof!!!!

I had a friend who did just that. Buzzzzzz

*** come to think of it, I knew a lot of people who did that ***

[ChefRamsey]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

I had a friend who did just that. Buzzzzzz

*** come to think of it, I knew a lot of people who did that ***

Girls, girls you're both pretty...


This is more about keeping talent in the state than it is GT v UGA. I PROMISE you no one amazing is going to choose UGA over Georgia Tech for say mechanical engineering..

What is the issue with UGA also producing engineers though? Not everyone wants to or needs to transfer by the way.

We're preventing kids from flying off to Clemson(79th), Florida(38th), Auburn(67th), Tennessee(65th) or even farther out engineering programs. Costs our kids less, keeps professors, research and students in the state, increases our enrollment and increases the scope of our flagship university.


Everyone wins. They recently recruited a VT(top 30 for undergraduate engineering) administrator to serve as dean of engineering

UGA's engineering program is doing well. Will they ever catch up to GT's? hell no. Do they need to? HELL NO.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

We're preventing kids from flying off to Clemson(79th), Florida(38th), Auburn(67th), Tennessee(65th) or even farther out engineering programs. Costs our kids less, keeps professors, research and students in the state, increases our enrollment and increases the scope of our flagship university.

So you're interested in increasing the scope of the flagship university in engineering but not one other Research University in the same field?

Everyone wins. They recently recruited a VT(top 30 for undergraduate engineering) administrator to serve as dean of engineering

No, UGA wins. That's what it has always been about. This is not some selfless act by the Dawgs.

[ChefRamsey]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

So you're interested in increasing the scope of the flagship university in engineering but not one other Research University in the same field?


No, UGA wins. That's what it has always been about. This is not some selfless act by the Dawgs.

Well GT is already world renowned.

GRU has been steadily improving since the consolidation but not enough to compete with peer institutions(AUB, MUSC). GSU IMO has been devolving in many ways, but they're still doing decently. Research is up.

Fact is, without money, neither GRU nor GSU can really do anything. They're simply irrelevant.

Flagship universities are by definitions the most prestigious, oldest and well-financed institutions in the system.

What do you want to happen? GSU merge with SPSU? UGA already HAS high quality(biological engineering ranked 11th in the nation) engineering majors, faculty, researchers and climate. Don't talk to me about how SPSU will move the engineering programs to Atlanta or vice versa. That's retarded. If you knew a thing about Georgia State University you would know that 31k enrollment sits on a 50 acre campus - smaller than GPC's Dunwoody campus. There is no room for an engineering college. No one wants to go to Georgia State. It's an awful place to go to college! You can't grow here as an intellectual individual for anything. GSU having SPSU's engineering will not save the students from transferring to other schools, they're too high quality for GSU. You don't understand anything about brain drain.

You know, what makes you think SPSU wants to be associated with GSU? Their alumni are causing such an uproar about KSU after all.

Just stop.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

If you knew a thing about Georgia State University you would know that 31k enrollment sits on a 50 acre campus - smaller than GPC's Dunwoody campus. There is no room for an engineering college. No one wants to go to Georgia State. It's an awful place to go to college! You can't grow here as an intellectual individual for anything. GSU having SPSU's engineering will not save the students from transferring to other schools, they're too high quality for GSU. You don't understand anything about brain drain.

You know, what makes you think SPSU wants to be associated with GSU? Their alumni are causing such an uproar about KSU after all.

Just stop.

Really? You're the one who goes out of his way to kiss every other USG institution's behind while trashing GSU in virtually every thread about colleges in this forum. If you hate GSU so much, why do you go there and why don't you transfer?

[J2rescue]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

Girls, girls you're both pretty...


This is more about keeping talent in the state than it is GT v UGA. I PROMISE you no one amazing is going to choose UGA over Georgia Tech for say mechanical engineering..

What is the issue with UGA also producing engineers though? Not everyone wants to or needs to transfer by the way.

We're preventing kids from flying off to Clemson(79th), Florida(38th), Auburn(67th), Tennessee(65th) or even farther out engineering programs. Costs our kids less, keeps professors, research and students in the state, increases our enrollment and increases the scope of our flagship university.


Everyone wins. They recently recruited a VT(top 30 for undergraduate engineering) administrator to serve as dean of engineering

UGA's engineering program is doing well. Will they ever catch up to GT's? hell no. Do they need to? HELL NO.

I agree with you 100% on this and think its long overdue. The idea that a state of nearly 10 million population should only have one engineering school was just backwards. GT is world renowned for what it does. It doesn't need to be the only engineering school in the state to thrive. The only thing it was doing was forcing a bunch of students to out of state schools.

[Galounger]

Originally Posted by J2rescue

I agree with you 100% on this and think its long overdue. The idea that a state of nearly 10 million population should only have one engineering school was just backwards. GT is world renowned for what it does. It doesn't need to be the only engineering school in the state to thrive. The only thing it was doing was forcing a bunch of students to out of state schools.

This is exactly what I have been saying for years and years. So now someone in Georgia can get a 4 year engineering degree from either Ga Tech or UGA. What's so terrible about that in a state this large? Matter of Fact-it's way over due.

In Ohio you can get a 4 year engineering degree of almost any kind from Ohio State, Case Western Reserve, University of Cincinnati, University of Toledo, University of Akron, University of Dayton, Miami University, Kent University, and Ohio University that I know of. There are 8 institutes in North Carolina that offer four year engineering degrees. Both Ohio and North Carolina lead Georgia in manufacturing and technology jobs.

If some one from Georgia is born and raised a long way from Atlanta (like myself) they have no choice but to pack up and make the long trip after two years at a near by school or go out of State to get an engineering degree. In Ohio no matter where you're from in the state you're close to a four year engineering school.

This is also good for industry since many manufacturing and technical firms rely on a good supply of qualified engineers and sometimes nearby research schools.

Frankly I think if there had been more engineering institutes through out the state over the years the state would have more homegrown manufacturing firms and high tech start ups instead of having to rely so heavily on luring in facilities and offices from companies started up and based in other states.

[Tarzanman]

First off:
There is no engineering shortage. I have heard that line from employers and its a crock of you-know-what.

There might a shortage of engineers willing to take the crappy pay that many employers try to get away with, which is why some of the positions cannot stay filled.

There IS a shortage of highly experienced specialized engineers who are willing to work the lower salary jobs or jobs that will have them traveling all the time.

When household wages do not not go up for a decade and employers whine about not being able to find people, then it should be a red flag that something doesn't make sense. Employment is not a perfect market, but if you price a position fairly, then with unemployment being what it is (8% or something, right?)... you will be able to attract qualified candidates.

If you can't, then fire your HR person.

[Galounger]

Originally Posted by Tarzanman

First off:
There is no engineering shortage. I have heard that line from employers and its a crock of you-know-what.

There might a shortage of engineers willing to take the crappy pay that many employers try to get away with, which is why some of the positions cannot stay filled.

There IS a shortage of highly experienced specialized engineers who are willing to work the lower salary jobs or jobs that will have them traveling all the time.

When household wages do not not go up for a decade and employers whine about not being able to find people, then it should be a red flag that something doesn't make sense. Employment is not a perfect market, but if you price a position fairly, then with unemployment being what it is (8% or something, right?)... you will be able to attract qualified candidates.

If you can't, then fire your HR person.

It's definitely an employers market right now and that goes for most fields. What we fail to keep in sight in Georgia however, is that very good engineers not only fill empty employment slots at companies they create jobs.

Microsoft, Lockheed Aircraft, HP, Google, McDonald Douglas Aircraft, Northrop, Texas Instrument, Honda and Bose audio or just a very few companies I can think of started or co-founded by people with engineering backgrounds. But for every corporate giant like those there are many small companies that together employ thousands. Look at what the engineers of MIT alone have accomplished MIT Spinoffs, 25,000+ Active Companies Founded by MIT Alumni and Faculty, 1865

If Massachusetts with a population less than Georgia's can have more than 16 accredited four year engineering schools and still support the likes of MIT. I think Georgia is more than ready to have more than one engineering school and Ga Tech still be able to shine.