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Old 11-14-2013, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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The area around Cumberland has more than just chain restaurants(for instance one of the top 50 rated BBQ restaurants in the whole country).
You mean the Heirloom BBQ that offers standing room only on the patio and is over 1 mile, and seperated by 2 massive freeways from the proposed site? How is that any better than Turner Field's location relative to Sweet Auburn BBQ, Bulpen BBQ, and Daddy D'z? https://www.google.com/maps/preview#...0!2i965!4f13.1
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Is there actually a shuttle bus at CNN Center for Braves games or are you talking about then hopping on MARTA, then walking 10 minutes through a dingy failing mall(see what I did there?), and then getting on a shuttle bus to the game? I have never heard of a shuttle from CNN Center so I am genuinely curious about that part.
I was talking about walking the 1/2 mile from CNN Center to Underground and then walking thru it to Steve Polk Plaza. If it takes you 10 minutes to walk 1/2 mile then you need to practice your power walking?
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:45 AM
 
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Reading through the thread, much has been made over the Cobb official's statement about MARTA. My thoughts:

So as much as I would like rapid transit to go all over the metro area, is it really a surprise that Cobb County officials don't care to take part? If Cobb joined ranks with MARTA, the most that would happen in the next decade or two would be a line up 75 (or the extension of the green line thru northwest ATL) that would probably go no further than Cumberland. Does a county send all that money that will primarily benefit Fulton and DeKalb for one measly station at the far eastern end of the county a mile from the ATL city limits?

Play the race card about this all day if you want, but this doesn't make financial sense for Cobb. You would need a line to at least Town Center or KSU to make it worth the while. And we all know that wouldn't happen if Cobb signed on. Cumberland in 15 years maybe and then that would be about it.
Good points, Saintmarks. By the time they ever got a line up to Cumberland it would be time to tear the stadium down.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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Cobb county to pay for 45% of the proposed Braves stadium

Report: Braves to pay 55 percent of stadium cost | www.ajc.com
Looks like this is shaping up to be a pretty darn good deal for Cobb.

After the Braves pay 55%, that only leaves $300M for Cobb, with most of that coming from the Cumberland CID. No tax increase for more than 95 percent of Cobb's residents.

Those folks up there know how to drive a bargain.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:03 AM
 
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Did you read what I posted? The Marlins went from winning the World Series to being the worst team in baseball in 9 short years. That has all to do with the way their ownership managed the whole stadium deal.

Not to say that the Braves will do the same (I don't believe they will), but there are very clear financial pit falls for Cobb County based on recent history. They're happy today, but I don't think they will be a few years from now.
This isn't even remotely close to the Marlins situation. After they won the World Series they instantly slashed payroll by trading all their star players to get to one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball. They went from winning the World Series to being one of the worst teams in baseball in one year, ON PURPOSE. The owner complained about not making enough money playing in a football stadium(even though it was just as much about him making the team horrible by choice and the fans not showing up) and convinced Miami to build a new stadium. The Marlins only put in $155 million and $35 million of that was an interest free loan from the city. The city of Miami put in $500 million because they were on the hook for any cost overruns(which Cobb County has said the Braves are responsible for in our case) with a lot in 40 year bonds that they couldn't sell so they had to jack up the interest rates on and are on the hook for $2.4 billion.

At the same time the Marlins are one of the most profitable teams in MLB because of revenue sharing and Loria couldn't possibly care less about fielding a competitive team or caring about the fans whatsoever.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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You mean the Heirloom BBQ that offers standing room only on the patio and is over 1 mile, and seperated by 2 massive freeways from the proposed site? How is that any better than Turner Field's location relative to Sweet Auburn BBQ, Bulpen BBQ, and Daddy D'z? https://www.google.com/maps/preview#...0!2i965!4f13.1

I was talking about walking the 1/2 mile from CNN Center to Underground and then walking thru it to Steve Polk Plaza. If it takes you 10 minutes to walk 1/2 mile then you need to practice your power walking?
The average person walks 3 miles an hour which guess what, is 10 minutes per half mile.

Every single thing you mentioned is more than one mile separated by a much bigger interstate interchange from Turner Field than what I mentioned from the new stadium. You can't count it for Turner and ignore it for Cobb.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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This isn't even remotely close to the Marlins situation. After they won the World Series they instantly slashed payroll by trading all their star players to get to one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball. They went from winning the World Series to being one of the worst teams in baseball in one year, ON PURPOSE. The owner complained about not making enough money playing in a football stadium(even though it was just as much about him making the team horrible by choice and the fans not showing up) and convinced Miami to build a new stadium. The Marlins only put in $155 million and $35 million of that was an interest free loan from the city. The city of Miami put in $500 million because they were on the hook for any cost overruns(which Cobb County has said the Braves are responsible for in our case) with a lot in 40 year bonds that they couldn't sell so they had to jack up the interest rates on and are on the hook for $2.4 billion.

At the same time the Marlins are one of the most profitable teams in MLB because of revenue sharing and Loria couldn't possibly care less about fielding a competitive team or caring about the fans whatsoever.
Don't disagree, this move will most likely not affect the Braves competitiveness. The financial situation with stadium construction and bonding is eerily similar though.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:15 AM
 
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Looks like this is shaping up to be a pretty darn good deal for Cobb.

After the Braves pay 55%, that only leaves $300M for Cobb, with most of that coming from the Cumberland CID. No tax increase for more than 95 percent of Cobb's residents.

Those folks up there know how to drive a bargain.
Yes. That is so much better than Atlanta's $1.2B stadium for $200m and no new taxes for anyone.

Still waiting for the details on where Cobb is getting this money.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Who says that it would only be one line?At first sure but MARTA is still a work in progress.
Also how would it mainly benefit Dekalb and Fulton?

You act as though it would not benefit Cobb residents.Cumberland area is just one business center in a region anchored by where the majority of the jobs are concentrated in the city of Atlanta and also where MARTA currently reaches.

That means it runs both ways.More so from Cobb to Atlanta than from Atlanta to Cobb.Certainly not just because they will have the Braves.

Once again who says they cant build there own light rail system for Cobb?They are even saying no to that which is ridiculous to focus on just cars on the interstates.

Not playing a "race card: at all because Cobb is doing that like they have done in the past.You may not know Cobbs history but I remember and Im telling you that its NOT just about a financial decision. If that was the case then they really shouldn't be spending $450 million of tax payer money for a stadium.
Didn't quote any one person, but others previously took the commissioner's comments to be racist. Not saying you have pulled the proverbial card at all.

I am making my assumptions on MARTAs growth rate in the last two decades. The only thing done is the extension up 400 that went hand in hand with the extension of 400 to 85 itself. Other than that, what has been expanded? If you want Cobb residents on board, then something besides a ten to twenty year construction time frame for one line to Cumberland which is the closest corner of the county to the main destinations in the city. If a line was built to KSU, then maybe more would be in support, but with the history of this system, that will be DECADES away. In the meantime, the monies from Cobb would go to the current system which primarily benefits the COA residents and to a lesser extent some Fulton and DeKalb residents.

If anyone ought to be upset with the current state of rail, it should be south Fulton residents and the majority of DeKalb residents who have been paying for decades with little rail service to their neighborhoods. Yes, two lines extend into DeKalb, but what about people in south DeKalb and central? The lines take them basically into Atlanta, not really much for moving people around DeKalb.

The too many, too small counties of Georgia that worked well for the 19th century are the root problem to many of metro Atlanta's woes today. MHO.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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The average person walks 3 miles an hour which guess what, is 10 minutes per half mile.

Every single thing you mentioned is more than one mile separated by a much bigger interstate interchange from Turner Field than what I mentioned from the new stadium. You can't count it for Turner and ignore it for Cobb.
But accessible by Capital Ave and Memorial Drive which seamlessly float over the connector, unlike the current, mega-block street concept found in Cumberland. Also, buses travel along both roads.
Bullpen is just south of the stadium.
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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But accessible by Capital Ave and Memorial Drive which seamlessly float over the connector, unlike the current, mega-block street concept found in Cumberland. Also, buses travel along both roads.
Bullpen is just south of the stadium.
Have you missed the talk of a bridge across 285 linking Cuberland/Galleria directly to the ballpark?
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