11-15-2013, 11:16 AM
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Has anyone else read this article:
http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story...me_top_bullets
Not only does Tim Lee propose using BRT service for the Cobb stadium but State Rep. Earl Ehrhart (R-Powder Springs) says:
...let’s have it the
conservative, Republican, Cobb County way and make it fare dependent. In other words, if you get on, whether it’s a BRT or some type of people train or whatever you actually pay what it’s worth, it’s not some $2 dollar government subsidized concept.....
If the cost of the trip is $10 or $15, that’s what people who ride it pay....
That way employees can utilize it, people who want to see traffic come down can utilize it, all kinds of good reasons, but let’s don’t accept this 20-year-old far-left ‘public transit is the only way to move people’ paradigm,” he said. “Let’s do it differently. Let’s do it right. I’d love to connect the three Braves’ stadiums, some way, wouldn’t that be cool? Maybe Rome to Cobb to Gwinnett....
I guess if you’re a part of a failed public-transit experiment it’s kind of nice to have company....
I don’t think the Cobb County taxpayers want to be any part of that and I think they made that clear in the TSPLOST vote.”
WOW is all I can say and people actually vote for this guy. This has to show people what Cobb is about. They don't want transit, REAL transit
11-15-2013, 11:46 AM
Location: Kirkwood
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They are setting this thing up for failure. They are going to piggyback on the 75/575 HOT lanes, with minimal investment and then when it fails point to it saying 'that their constituents don't want transit because it failed.'
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In other words, if you get on, whether it’s a BRT or some type of people train or whatever you actually pay what it’s worth, it’s not some $2 dollar government subsidized concept.....
If that's the case, then stop subsidizing roads and oil companies. Make people pay the REAL costs!
11-15-2013, 12:10 PM
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Un-subsidized rail is the way to go! But it will fail if it has to compete with free roads.
11-15-2013, 01:19 PM
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bfarley30
WOW is all I can say and people actually vote for this guy.
Earl Ehrhart is actually one of the better guys to work with on the issue of the need for high-capacity rail transit in the I-75/I-575 NW (and US 78-278) corridor(s) through Cobb County because he (unlike many political leaders in the traditionally staunchly anti-rail transit county) actually acknowledges the pressing need for rail transit in a county with increasingly severe traffic congestion issues and no real way to further expand the road network.
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bfarley30
This has to show people what Cobb is about.
With Cobb County's reputation of being one of the most staunchly-conservative communities in the entire nation, it is well-known that Cobb County has traditionally had an extreme aversion to even the mere idea of transit implementation in the county.
With even many politicians from traditionally staunchly anti-transit areas starting to acknowledge the severely-pressing need for some type of transit upgrades in a county with an increasingly-severe traffic congestion problem, Cobb County has actually come a long way from just a few years ago when the county wanted absolutely nothing to do with transit of any kind.
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bfarley30
They (Cobb County) don't want transit, REAL transit
With a Cobb County population (a population that is already over the 700,000 mark) that continues to grow at a very-high rate and with extreme peak-hour traffic congestion issues continuing to mount on a built-out road network that effectively cannot be expanded any further, most Cobb County residents actually want and NEED real transit, Cobb County voters just don't want to be stuck paying sales tax revenues to a struggling and historically poorly-managed and poorly-performing MARTA for many years while getting nothing in return.
It should also be noted that Cobb County Commission Chairman Tim Lee's continuing fascination with BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) is part of a back-door way by the Cumberland/Galleria and Cobb Chamber-led business community to get (or sneak) light rail transit into the historically rail transit-averse county over the objections of the shrinking number of anti-transit ultraconservatives who continue to dominate Cobb County's political scene.
Being inspired by the recent implementation of light rail transit along South Boulevard on the southside of Charlotte, the Cobb County business community, led by the Cobb Chamber of Commerce and Cumberland/Galleria real estate interests have this continuing fascination (obsession) with turning the US 41 Cobb Parkway corridor into a European-style urban boulevard by running a light rail line down the middle of the roadway and sparking high-density development along the busy arterial road.
The Cobb Chamber and Cumberland/Galleria business and real estate interests also badly want to urbanize the Cumberland Mall area and turn it into something that resembles (or exceeds) the continued development of the Perimeter Mall/Dunwoody area into an edge city/satellite downtown with lots of mixed-use high-rise development around and near high-capacity rail transit stations.
...Which is what Cobb County's landing of the Braves is a major part of...to urbanize area and CREATE a demand for at-least a couple of passenger rail transit connections (one paralleling I-75 NW, and one paralleling the I-285 Top End Perimeter) in the not-too-distant future.
Cobb County real estate interests badly want to get passenger rail transit into the county by way of the Cumberland Mall area are even willing to go so far as to make traffic much worse in the area so that they can push the region and the state into having no choice but to act on building the two high-capacity transit lines into the Cumberland Mall area that Cobb County business and real estate interests so intensely desire.
11-15-2013, 01:59 PM
Location: Kirkwood
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The Cobb Chamber and Cumberland/Galleria business and real estate interests also badly want to urbanize the Cumberland Mall area and turn it into something that resembles (or exceeds) the continued development of the Perimeter Mall/Dunwoody area into an edge city/satellite downtown with lots of mixed-use high-rise development around and near high-capacity rail transit stations.
Lack of rail-based transit is why Cumberland lags behind other business districts with transit in rent, occupancy, etc.
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Cobb County real estate interests badly want to get passenger rail transit into the county by way of the Cumberland Mall area are even willing to go so far as to make traffic much worse in the area so that they can push the region and the state into having no choice but to act on building the two high-capacity transit lines into the Cumberland Mall area that Cobb County business and real estate interests so intensely desire.
I hope your right.
11-15-2013, 02:36 PM
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How did rail become a left vs right thing. smh
11-15-2013, 03:27 PM
Location: Atlanta - Midtown
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Cobb County is like the weird uncle at thanksgiving, that everyone is embarresed of.
11-15-2013, 03:58 PM
Location: Decatur, GA
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jsvh
Un-subsidized rail is the way to go! But it will fail if it has to compete with free roads.
Fortunately that attitude isn't very widespread, otherwise we wouldn't have any transit or any roads period.
11-15-2013, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by
bfarley30
Has anyone else read this article:
The Marietta Daily Journal - Chairman rails against statement by Atlanta mayor that light rail will make move with Braves
Not only does Tim Lee propose using BRT service for the Cobb stadium but State Rep. Earl Ehrhart (R-Powder Springs) says:
...let’s have it the
conservative, Republican, Cobb County way and make it fare dependent. In other words, if you get on, whether it’s a BRT or some type of people train or whatever you actually pay what it’s worth, it’s not some $2 dollar government subsidized concept.....
If the cost of the trip is $10 or $15, that’s what people who ride it pay....
That way employees can utilize it, people who want to see traffic come down can utilize it, all kinds of good reasons, but let’s don’t accept this 20-year-old far-left ‘public transit is the only way to move people’ paradigm,” he said. “Let’s do it differently. Let’s do it right. I’d love to connect the three Braves’ stadiums, some way, wouldn’t that be cool? Maybe Rome to Cobb to Gwinnett....
I guess if you’re a part of a failed public-transit experiment it’s kind of nice to have company....
I don’t think the Cobb County taxpayers want to be any part of that and I think they made that clear in the TSPLOST vote.”
WOW is all I can say and people actually vote for this guy. This has to show people what Cobb is about. They don't want transit, REAL transit
OK let's play the conservative game the other way: Stop all government subsidies of the Cobb Airport and the improvement plans for I-75 and 675. Or any other transportation in Cobb. The people pay $5 for a round trip which is enough.
11-15-2013, 08:14 PM
Location: Marietta, GA
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cqholt
If that's the case, then stop subsidizing roads and oil companies. Make people pay the REAL costs!
For the 99999999th time... roads are used by everyone, including transit. Roads are common and necessary infrastructure. They are an essential and primary responsibility of gov't. Without roads... no commerce; no police response; no ambulance and fire response, and on and on.
As for the comments about potential transit in Cobb, it's EXACTLT what I've said for years. The problem in my mind has NEVER been transit per se, but rather transit that doesn't serve a real need, that's heavily subsidized by taxpayers. If you build transit that is needed, with good ridership, then you can charge a reasonable fare that covers operating costs.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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