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Old 12-25-2013, 10:55 PM
 
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Looks like central Florida is about to open 32 miles of commuter rail with plans to start construction to expand to 60+ miles,

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Old 12-25-2013, 11:34 PM
 
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And they did it all for LESS than the proposed Clifton corridor light rail line.

Unbelievable.
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Old 12-25-2013, 11:38 PM
 
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Why is this in the Atlanta forum?
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Old 12-26-2013, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Vinings/Cumberland in the evil county of Cobb
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Because Atlanta needs a commuter rail system
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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Those folks down in Florida don't mess around. Are those cars double-deckers?
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Because Atlanta needs a commuter rail system
Arguable...and has been argued. As for the OP...I also fail to see why you're posting about Florida in the Atlanta forum.

Are we going to see every transit project throughout the country touted in the Atlanta forum, because some posters here can't stop beating the transit horse?
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Old 12-26-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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And they did it all for LESS than the proposed Clifton corridor light rail line.

Unbelievable.
Apples and oranges. Sunrail is built on top of existing freight right of way (bought from CSX so I don't know if that cost was factored in). Atlanta could build a commuter rail system just as cheap as far as Acworth or Covington, but we need more than one 32 mile line like Orlando has.

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Those folks down in Florida don't mess around. Are those cars double-deckers?
Yes, they're a type of rail car called the Bombardier Bilevel, and while they're nearly ubiquitous in new commuter rail startups, they're also unsafe. In a collision, they tend to separate at the seams rather than crumple and absorb and redirect the crash energy.
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Arguable...and has been argued. As for the OP...I also fail to see why you're posting about Florida in the Atlanta forum.

Are we going to see every transit project throughout the country touted in the Atlanta forum, because some posters here can't stop beating the transit horse?
Yes. We shouldn't stop discussing it just because it won't happen. That's what a discussion forum is about.
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Apples and oranges. Sunrail is built on top of existing freight right of way (bought from CSX so I don't know if that cost was factored in). Atlanta could build a commuter rail system just as cheap as far as Acworth or Covington, but we need more than one 32 mile line like Orlando has.
It was. The land/track acquisition cost $432 million of that amount of money.

The problem to spot out in the response to ATLTJL....

They had under-utilized premade tracks to buy, which could be upgraded.

We don't have that. The cost of us starting from scratch would be far higher. The oppotrunity costs of trying to remove freight off our tracks is also particularly high to our economy. Raw materials from the Midwest and coal from W. Virginia fueling the new wave of manufacturing businesses in and around Georgia mainly filter into the south through the tracks running NW of town. It is an extremely congest corridor.

That is why the Clifton corridor was so expensive.... oh yea and the cost of the clifton corridor reflects 10 years of operating cost, the cost of SunRail discussed doesn't, which was just existing ROW, tracks, and new construction.
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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No, the Clifton Corridor is something different entirely. With SunRail, freight and Amtrak can still move over the line, but the Clifton Corridor's light rail must be completely grade separated from conventional railroad equipment. It's a myth that we would have to remove freight off of our tracks when all that is required is some upgrading (mostly single track to double track) to allow both to operate.
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Old 12-26-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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No, the Clifton Corridor is something different entirely. With SunRail, freight and Amtrak can still move over the line, but the Clifton Corridor's light rail must be completely grade separated from conventional railroad equipment. It's a myth that we would have to remove freight off of our tracks when all that is required is some upgrading (mostly single track to double track) to allow both to operate.
MattCW, read ATLTJL's and my comments more carefully... there is nothing to debate on this point.

He compared the cost of the two.

I'm addressing that point. I'm also not perpetuating the myth we are removing freight, however SunRail is doing just that. I was explaining we can't do that.
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