Ebola - coming to a location near you ! (Atlanta: to live in, education)

[IntentionsRGood]

Originally Posted by billl

Oh? You have a source for that? Did they get it from actually eating the meat or from the process of preparing it (which would have put them in contact with the blood of an infected animal)?

The CDC says you can't get Ebola through food. WRONG.

The CDC (with the help of the media) has started a misinformation campaign to confuse Americans about Ebola.

“If you know that the Ebola virus is introduced in one area, it’s probably an extra good time to stop eating bush meat,” said Daniel Bausch, an associate professor of tropical medicine at Tulane University School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine.

He said eating, not preparing or handling infected meat.

You can assume that he means preparing or handling infected meat, but the CDC says you can't get Ebola from food. That's misinformation.

Why West Africans keep hunting and eating bush meat despite Ebola concerns - The Washington Post

UN: Ebola Outbreak Likely Caused by Bushmeat

[IntentionsRGood]

Originally Posted by kferq

The CDC is reporting misinformation? Really!

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The CDC claims you can't get Ebola through food. It says so very clearly in the Infographic they are sending to the media. Yet every other Ebola expert says the latest outbreak was caused by eating bushmeat (monkeys, rats, fruit bats, etc.). There are West Africans in America who still eat bushmeat. It's a delicacy to them. Yet the CDC is saying, "Oh, don't worry. You can't get Ebola from food." This is misinformation.

They also say you can't get Ebola from the air. Yet 60 health care workers - including a top Ebola doctor - died in West Africa since February. They took every precaution and still died. The EMTs who transported the Ebola patients to Emory hospital wore biohazard suits with oxygen apparatus strapped to their backs. Why was that necessary if the virus isn't airborne?

The Zaire Ebolavirus has obviously mutated. But continue to get your information from Wikipedia.

[kferq]

Originally Posted by IntentionsRGood

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The CDC says you can't get Ebola through food. WRONG.

The CDC (with the help of the media) has started a misinformation campaign to confuse Americans about Ebola.

“If you know that the Ebola virus is introduced in one area, it’s probably an extra good time to stop eating bush meat,” said Daniel Bausch, an associate professor of tropical medicine at Tulane University School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine.

He said eating, not preparing or handling infected meat.

You can assume that he means preparing or handling infected meat, but the CDC says you can't get Ebola from food. That's misinformation.

Why West Africans keep hunting and eating bush meat despite Ebola concerns - The Washington Post

UN: Ebola Outbreak Likely Caused by Bushmeat

The articles you quote agree it is the handling of the dead animal or its bodily fluids that causes the infection, not eating the meat:

From the first:
“If it’s cooked or smoked there is essentially zero risk,” Bausch said. “All the risk is to the preparer. So you have to have contact with the relatively fresh blood or bodily fluids of the animal.”

From the second
“The virus is killed when meat is cooked at a high temperature or heavily smoked, but anyone who handles, skins or butchers an infected wild animal is at risk of contracting the virus,” Lubroth added."

There is no conspiracy to misinform Americans. There is only a failure to understand what you are reading.

[CCATL]

Originally Posted by IntentionsRGood

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The CDC claims you can't get Ebola through food. It says so very clearly in the Infographic they are sending to the media. Yet every other Ebola expert says the latest outbreak was caused by eating bushmeat (monkeys, rats, fruit bats, etc.). There are West Africans in America who still eat bushmeat. It's a delicacy to them. Yet the CDC is saying, "Oh, don't worry. You can't get Ebola from food." This is misinformation.

They also say you can't get Ebola from the air. Yet 60 health care workers - including a top Ebola doctor - died in West Africa since February. They took every precaution and still died. The EMTs who transported the Ebola patients to Emory hospital wore biohazard suits with oxygen apparatus strapped to their backs. Why was that necessary if the virus isn't airborne?

The Zaire Ebolavirus has obviously mutated. But continue to get your information from Wikipedia.

Actually, you are interpreting it all wrong. You CAN'T get Ebola from food, in the sense that you can get eColi from contaminated food sources. Viruses are NOT alive. eColi will grow and spread in food, whereas Ebola, a virus, needs a LIVING host in order to "reproduce". This is what CDC means by that. If you eat dead bushmeat straight from the forest (uncooked or improperly cooked), yes, you can get ebola. I'm pretty sure nobody in the United States, regardless of their nationality, goes into the forest, finds a monkey (or really any animal) that is a living host for Ebola, goes home and kills it to eat. And even if they did that in the USA, there won't be any animals here that had ebola prior to their death.

Ebola is NOT spread in the air. It is not the flu, or the common cold - it is not an airborne virus. Look at the viral structures of airborne viruses vs ebola - it has not evolved to spread via air, because it has never needed to. It is a hemorrhagic fever, and that is exactly how it and other hemorrhagic viruses spread themselves - through the bodily fluids that are thrown onto nearby people when hemorrhaging. Healthcare workers CAN get ebola in Africa because they do not have the precautionary equipment available to us here. Yes, a slight tear in the fabric of a biohazard suit, and you are susceptible to getting ebola. But that's not because it is in the air, it is because some microscopic amount of bodily fluid, likely blood, was able to get through that small tear and into your body in some manner. Biohazard suits are not only for airborne viruses - they are for all kinds of viruses, bacteria, and chemical accidents.

Before you panic, do your research. If you think something the CDC is saying is wrong, go on the NIH website, or WHO, or look at peer reviewed articles regarding ebola. You'll probably see that what the CDC is saying is correct, but you interpreted the information wrong (which is also bad on the CDC's part if they weren't clear).

[kferq]

Originally Posted by IntentionsRGood

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The CDC claims you can't get Ebola through food. It says so very clearly in the Infographic they are sending to the media. Yet every other Ebola expert says the latest outbreak was caused by eating bushmeat (monkeys, rats, fruit bats, etc.). There are West Africans in America who still eat bushmeat. It's a delicacy to them. Yet the CDC is saying, "Oh, don't worry. You can't get Ebola from food." This is misinformation.

They also say you can't get Ebola from the air. Yet 60 health care workers - including a top Ebola doctor - died in West Africa since February. They took every precaution and still died. The EMTs who transported the Ebola patients to Emory hospital wore biohazard suits with oxygen apparatus strapped to their backs. Why was that necessary if the virus isn't airborne?

The Zaire Ebolavirus has obviously mutated. But continue to get your information from Wikipedia.

The EMTs don't have oxygen apparatus. Only the patient has a regular oxygen tank.

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You are the one who is trying to misinform people.

[staywarm2]

Originally Posted by kferq

This is correct. Sewer treatment plants are designed to kill viruses. Apparently sewage itself is extremely good at killing viruses even before the waste gets to the treatment plant. In large part, this is because of the soap and cleaning chemicals that people send down the drain.

I think depending upon sewage to prevent the spread of Ebola virus in waste water is extremely scary...

[CCATL]

Originally Posted by staywarm2

I think depending upon sewage to prevent the spread of Ebola virus in waste water is extremely scary...

Ebola is not a waterborne virus, nor is it airborne, nor is it foodborne. It is a viral hemorrhagic fever. Seriously people, you have NOTHING to be concerned about by 2 people being treated in the hospital. You have way more risk in going about your daily life than your risk of being killed by ebola. Seriously.

There is a reason you don't hear about waterborne viruses very often here, such as cholera. We have water treatment plants. They treat sewage, they clean water, they get everything out of the water that could kill you before you drink it. If they don't, we have boil water advisories. Ebola is a virus and CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT A LIVING HOST. Water is not alive, air is not alive, food is not alive (hopefully), rocks are not alive. The amount of panic resulting from ignorance on this thread is mind boggling. Please, listen to the experts - they know WAY more about epidemiology than you do. If you have a plumbing problem, do you call a doctor to come fix your pipes? If you are a doctor, do you call a plumber to come give you a bypass surgery? There are experts in fields for a reason - mistakes can always happen, but in this case, every preventative measure possible is being taken. In this case, if you are not a doctor, or an epidemiologist, or anybody else whose career is public health, just listen to people who ARE in the field, and not what you think based on conjecture from unreliable sources.

[red92s]

Originally Posted by IntentionsRGood

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The Zaire Ebolavirus has obviously mutated. But continue to get your information from Wikipedia.

Thank you for the pathogenic analysis. Where did you say you studied virology again?

[IntentionsRGood]

Originally Posted by kferq

The EMTs don't have oxygen apparatus. Only the patient has a regular oxygen tank.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/l...la_print_1.JPG

You are the one who is trying to misinform people.

The oxygen apparatus is strapped on their backs, genius. Find a photo from behind and you will see it. It is smaller than an oxygen tank. Obviously they need oxygen inside those suits.

[IntentionsRGood]

Originally Posted by CCATL

Viruses are NOT alive. eColi will grow and spread in food, whereas Ebola, a virus, needs a LIVING host in order to "reproduce". This is what CDC means by that. If you eat dead bushmeat straight from the forest (uncooked or improperly cooked), yes, you can get ebola.

You are a study in contradictions. You say the virus is not alive, yet we know it is alive. You say it needs a living host to reproduce, yet you agree dead bushmeat is still infectious. The CDC states villagers contracted Ebola from handling dead bodies.

As I said, much of the information we know about Ebola is wrong. 60 health care workers are dead. They didn't get Ebola from a little tear in their suits. You watch too many movies.

The virus is airborne. They're just not admitting it because they want to avoid panic in the streets.