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Old 10-26-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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Yet, you are still stuck here...

With all the various meccas across the country that you're always rooting for, you should be gone by now, buddy.
This.

Plus, this thread has gone way off topic.
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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I could probably get a good starting job here, but that means I'd be forced to work in Perimeter when I would want to live in a desirable neighborhood like Inman Park or O4W and I really don't want to deal with that traffic as I just mentioned. That's the problem with Atlanta and educated professionals..you may want to live in the core, but have to commute 10 miles north simply because that's where the jobs are located.
What's wrong with living in town and commuting to work at Perimeter? A lot of people do that.
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Old 10-27-2014, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Vinings/Cumberland in the evil county of Cobb
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What's wrong with living in town and commuting to work at Perimeter? A lot of people do that.
"youth is wasted on the young"
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Old 10-27-2014, 01:37 PM
 
Location: West Cobb (formerly Vinings)
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If Cobb County is considered part of the core, then MARTA expansion to Cumberland/Marietta/Kennesaw shouldn't be a problem...right?
It's not about demographics. It's about money. Cobb has a competing CCT that Cobb pays for already, through both taxes and SPLOST. MARTA usually wants 1% of all income taxes to move to an area, which would be on top of the cost of CCT unless MARTA bought CCT assets (I doubt they would). They aren't going to get 1% in Cobb, save maybe Cumberland, Smyrna, and Six Flags area.

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Meanwhile, cities like Seattle are doing things right centralizing their core and population, becoming denser, more walkable, eventually becoming as desirable as SF and NYC themselves. If you want to look at a city on it's way to being truly world class, take a look at Seattle. Urbanizing properly at a rapid rate and it's high GDP per capita, educated populace, low crime rates will propel it into the city of the future. Seattle already has a GDP nearly at Atlanta with only 3.6 million people in it's metro..
That's the wrong way of looking at it. Metro Atlanta is centralizing the core. The core is densifying. The thing is that the core has historically been portions of 5 counties: Fulton, Cobb, Gwinnett, Dekalb and Clayton. It includes 9 major employment areas and 5 skylines. For instance, the Cobb area in question was fully developed for over 30 years and is densifying right now. Some outer counties are growing faster pecentage-wise since they have open land, but in sheer numbers the inner counties are still king for growth.

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Iit would be a mini-SF to me, but alas, I love sun and that's a problem for Seattle.
I know the convo isn't about SF but believe it or not in metro SF there's more growth in the inner suburbs right now percentage-wise than San Francisco. SF has probably gotten too expensive.

For cities like NY, LA, and Chicago, there is actually a net loss in domestic population, with much of that population moving to sun belt cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Dallas, Houston, and Austin along with Salt Lake City. But those major cities are still gradually growing despite the domestic population loss, due to immigration.

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Old 10-27-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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Cobb isn't part of the core. Cores are generally the most densest and built up areas of their respective cities or regions. It's clear and obvious when you look at a map of Atlanta and it's metro, the grey, built up area is most concentrated at Downtown and Midtown and that's not going to change.
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Old 10-27-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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MARTA usually wants 1% of all income taxes to move to an area
MARTA is a 1% Sales Tax. Not Income Tax. Basically Cobb could have MARTA for the exact same price of what they are getting for the SPLOST.

But I don't expect Cobb to be part of any regional transit anytime soon.
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Old 10-27-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: West Cobb (formerly Vinings)
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Cobb isn't part of the core. Cores are generally the most densest and built up areas of their respective cities or regions.<snip>It's clear and obvious when you look at a map of Atlanta and it's metro, the grey, built up area is most concentrated at Downtown and Midtown and that's not going to change.
Looking at a satellite in metro Atlanta is misleading because of trees. Grey areas aren't necessarily more densely populated or more urbanized. They just have less trees and less concrete. Metro Atlanta prizes itself on tree canopy and dense areas can look like forests on a satellite. Look at some neighborhoods like Summerhill, Adair Park and Capitol View. It doesn't stop in Atlanta. Cobb and Smyrna both have their own requirements for tree replacement on all developments.

A lack of grid also doesn't mean something is less urbanized.

Cobb is officially a core metro county and has been for over 30 years. Midtown and downtown are very compact. Then there area stretching South along Metropolitan Parkway, Capital Ave and Lee Rd (such as West End, Summerhill and Adair Park) is dense too. The rest of Atlanta is actually less densely populated than the parts of Cobb bordering Atlanta. For instance, Smyrna has higher population density than Atlanta. NW metro (mostly Cobb) also has more office space than Atlanta.
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Old 10-27-2014, 02:00 PM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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It's not about demographics. It's about money. Cobb has a competing CCT that Cobb pays for already, through both taxes and SPLOST. MARTA usually wants 1% of all income taxes to move to an area, which would be on top of the cost of CCT unless MARTA bought CCT assets (I doubt they would). They aren't going to get 1% in Cobb, save maybe Cumberland, Smyrna, and Six Flags area.
Why wouldn't they? It would be a lot easier and cheaper for MARTA to do that than start from the ground up, especially since CCT would presumably cease to exist (along with its existing funding mechanisms) once MARTA service would start in Cobb.
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Old 10-27-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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If Cobb is not part of the urban core then how in the heck did they wind up with more Class A office space than downtown, Midtown or Buckhead?
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Old 10-27-2014, 02:49 PM
 
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Because like the rest of Atlanta, everything is sprawled here and I generally consider Downtown and Midtown to be part of one unified core area. Imagine everything from Downtown to Buckhead centralized in one area....Atlanta would actually feel like a gigantic city and it's skyline would actually be extremely dense and compact instead of sprawled.

That explains why cities like Seattle, Melbourne, Syndey, and other metros between 3.5-4.5 million feel much larger than Atlanta. They are more centralized and built up. Atlanta is a metro of 5.5 million people, but feels more like a 3 million metro. Atlanta is the least dense metro of any metro above 3 million people in the world and why it is the poster child of sprawl and what you should not do.
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